Kellyanne 'white trash' Conway

[Lord Jim]

I'm inclined to pretty much agree with Scooter here...

The Conway feet on the couch thing isn't "fake news" because it actually happened...

A better description might be "non-news" because it's relatively speaking trivial and unimportant, and therefore not particularly newsworthy, even though it did happen...

"Fake news" is not going to be very useful as a descriptive concept if its definition is extended to include the reporting of anything of low newsworthiness value...

The phrase was coined to describe a specific phenomena involving the deliberate dissemination of falsehoods presented in a way to deceive people into believing that they are facts...

I think it's useful to have a phrase that specifically describes that, because it's a real problem that people need to aware of...

This looks like a pretty good definition to me:

Fake news, or hoax news, refers to false information or propaganda published under the guise of being authentic news. Fake news websites and channels push their fake news content in an attempt to mislead consumers of the content and spread misinformation via social networks and word-of-mouth.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/fake-news.html

Trump has tried to debase the meaning of the expression by using it to refer to any news story that is critical of him. I think we ought to preserve the narrow definition, and not extend it to cover other things.

[Bicycle Bill]

"When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often.  But if a man bites a dog, that is news."
...... Alfred Harmsworth (1865–1922), British newspaper magnate; also often attributed to New York Sun editor John B. Bogart (1848–1921) as well as Charles Anderson Dana (1819–1897), an editor of the New York Tribune.

By the same token, an airplane that does not crash rarely makes the headlines either.  The point to be drawn here is that not everything that occurs is automatically "newsworthy".  So Conway putting her feet on the couch is not 'fake news'.  Certainly, it *DID* happen, but it is most definitely not news in the same vein as if she had taken a crap on the couch.  Same thing with the sudden penchant for photos of celebs and their "wardrobe malfunctions" and nipple slips.

Now, on to fake news.  You want fake news?  Try this on for size:

Mainstream Media Applauds Trump’s Progress in Learning to Read

NEW YORK – Media outlets on all sides of the political spectrum have joined together in praise for Donald Trump, who has officially graduated to a second grade reading level thanks to strenuous English language tutoring he's receiving in Moscow.

Now able to read classics like 'Goodnight Moon' and 'The Very Hungry Caterpillar', Trump, who lost the election to President Hillary Rodham Clinton by 3 million votes, "could be shaping himself into a formidable candidate for the NY mayoral race next year," according to The New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman.

Concerns about Trump’s illiteracy surfaced in full force during his failed presidential campaign last year.  Trump refused to use teleprompters and seemed incapable of writing a properly structured tweet, misspelling words ranging from “unprecedented” to “sad.”

In an interview on "Fox and Friends", Trump, who called in from his Moscow hotel room, attributed his rapid rise in reading level to his being “a really, kind of, really smart guy, okay?” before demanding he receive the Nobel Prize for Literature.
(http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/)

-"BB"-

[Big RR]

Well Jim, if you want to use the word non-news for this sort of thing, and fake news only for news that is deliberately false, I would have no problem with it. I think both false news ad non-news are types of "fake" news, but no sense arguing semantics too much. I don't think any of us disagree as to the principle, just the language.

[oldr_n_wsr]

How about HOF news
Hair On Fire news.

Seems these non stories cause people to go nuts trying to find some meaning in them causing their heads to overheat and thier hair catches on fire.

[dales]

The flip side of HOF news is HUA.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Am I alone in thinking that 'white trash' is an incredibly offensive term? It carries (to my mind) an assumption that trash, usually being black, is this time around white and therefore remarkable. For that reason it seems to me to be a very racist usage. Maybe I have a misunderstanding of how the phrase is used.

[Scooter]

You don't. You have it exactly right.

[Bicycle Bill]

-"BB"-

[Lord Jim]

Interesting history for the term "white trash":

The term White trash first came into common use in the 1830s as a pejorative used by house slaves against poor whites. In 1833, Fanny Kemble, an English actress visiting Georgia, noted in her journal: "The slaves themselves entertain the very highest contempt for white servants, whom they designate as 'poor white trash'".[9][10]

In 1854, Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote the chapter "Poor White Trash" in her book A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin. Stowe wrote that slavery not only produces "degraded, miserable slaves", but also poor whites who are even more degraded and miserable. The plantation system forced those whites to struggle for subsistence. Beyond economic factors, Stowe traces this class to the shortage of schools and churches in their community, and says that both blacks and whites in the area look down on these "poor white trash".[11]

By 1855, the term had passed into common usage by upper-class whites, and was common usage among all Southerners, regardless of race, throughout the rest of the 19th century.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash

[BoSoxGal]

Here's the thing, dearies.

You know how it's culturally acceptable for black people to use the word nigger between and about one another?

Well, in my cultural experience it's also acceptable for us poor white people to use the term white trash to discuss one another's white trash behavior, too. Has been so my entire life.

Now if any of you want to put forth your growing up poor bona fides - like how you also went without meals on a regular basis because your alcoholic father wasn't working, etc. - then *maybe* I would give a shit, but probably not, because then we'd be talking about distinctions no different than those among black people who don't mind using nigger and those who are offended by it.

And if y'all hadn't noticed yet, the me who gave a shit about your approval has long since grown out of that naïveté.

Still, to placate your judgmental natures, *maybe* next time I start a thread about this manipulative lying bitch I'll title it Kellyanne cuntface lying Conway instead, m'kay?

[BoSoxGal]

And by the way, if you're so INCREDIBLY OFFENDED by the term white trash in this thread title - here's a little hint:

If you stop posting in the INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE thread, it will *poof* - disappear off your unread threads page!

[Econoline]

Meanwhile, the location of Kellyanne's feet was far from the *REAL* news story happening then and there:

• Morehouse College President: We Got Played
  
  Michael Harriot
  Yesterday 8:20pm
  
  There is an old African proverb that has been passed down from the ancestors through generations of black people that goes like this: “Never trust anyone who lets people put their feet on the couch.”
  
  After meeting with the Trump administration for two days and reviewing Cheddar Bob’s executive order on HBCUs, Morehouse College President John Wilson Jr. issued a statement Thursday admitting that over 100 HBCU presidents went to the White House, and all they got was a lousy Instagram photo.
  
  Wilson said that he and other black college heads were excited when they heard Trump’s usual hyperbole promising to “do more for HBCUs than any other president has done before.” After all, President Barack Obama set aside $3 billion for African-American colleges and made them a priority within the Department of Education, so Trump—Wilson reasoned—would at least give them $500 million more for this year alone, right? Maybe he’d even boost Pell Grants and create an innovation fund! At least he’d do something Republican, like offer tax breaks to companies that donate to HBCUs! Those are reasonable expectations, right?
  
  Wrong.
  
  All Trump did was move the HBCU initiative from the Department of Education to the Executive Office of the President—presumably where he uses it as a coaster for his presidential haterade. Aside from that, all the college presidents got was a look at Kellyanne Conway’s bony knees and a few more frequent-flier miles. In her dual role as White House mascot and secretary of shuck and jive, Omarosa Manigault explained, “That’s all we got, bruh.”
  
  Wilson was even more pissed at Becky-in-chief Betsy DeVos, who—in a separate meeting—remarked how historically black colleges were America’s original pioneers for school choice. Because—you know—in the 1800s (when the first HBCUs were founded), black people had the option of waltzing into Harvard or Yale, but instead decided to break their backs creating their own schools, just because.
  
  Wilson explained:

  But HBCUs were not created because the 4 million newly freed blacks were unhappy with the choices they had. They were created because they had no choices at all. That is not just a very important distinction, it is profoundly important. Why? Because, if one does not understand the crippling and extended horrors of slavery, then how can one really understand the subsequent history and struggle of African Americans, or the current necessities and imperatives that grow out of that history and struggle?

  
  After becoming one of the many people whom Trump has duped into believing his promises, only to leave empty-handed, Wilson did not address the loud chorus coming from HBCU alumni and black people in general, screaming, “We told y’all.”

[ex-khobar Andy]

I don't think you despise Conway any more than I do, BSG. But I don't see the need to use racist or sexist language to express that.

Edited to delete some excessive verbiage. EKA 10:07 CST

[BoSoxGal]

I explained my reasons for feeling justified in using that term above. Your opinion is duly noted. I may or may not refrain in future - there is much that I read here that offends me and about which I don't make a federal case.

eta: The only historical usage of the term 'white trash' which is racist is blacks using it against whites - evidence also provided in the thread. So I'm not sure how it's racist for me, a poor white person, to use it against Conway, another poor white person (in terms of our origins, not current status - she's fabulously wealthy now, I'm still poor ).

But anyway . . .

[RayThom]

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have fun, relax, but above all ARGUE!

[BoSoxGal]

[rubato]

I don't think "white trash" is racist but it is classist.




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[Lord Jim]

I don't think "white trash" is racist but it is classist.




yrs,
rubato

By that I take it that you approve of using the term...

Oh yeah, you do:

Why did representatives of the historically black colleges even agree to this exercise in window-dressing? And with that blonde white trash skank in the room?


yrs,
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[MajGenl.Meade]

Poor white's trash

[Burning Petard]

I grew up in an unincorporated area between Kansas City and Independence Missouri. It was an area of many homes built outside any building code, because among other things, there were no code inspectors for this area which was without prosperous developers or individuals prepared to pay bribes to pass such inspections. When I began riding the school bus, I discovered it was known as 'dog-patch' named after the newspaper comic strip created by Al Capp. Like the comic strip it was inhabited by whites. Unlike the comic strip it did not even include American Indians. I heard 'white trash' long before I heard 'dog-patch'. I knew it as a culture-slam. You may live in a tar-paper covered shack, or a hole known as a 'basement house' and use an outdoor privy--but you were not white trash if you kept your self and your home clean, and kept the outside premises neat and orderly.

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