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Who Will Be The First Cabinet Member To Resign?

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I know a lot of people think it will be Jeff Sessions (and a strong case can be made for that) but my money's on Rex Tillerson...

Here's a guy who's used to being the top banana, but now he doesn't even have the authority to pick his own deputy. (Trump vetoed the selection of Elliot Abrams..somebody who actually knows something about foreign policy formulation...because Trump's widdle feewings were hurt by criticisms of him that he made during the campaign. In fact Trump has blacklisted scores of GOP experts in the foreign policy, defense and national security areas denying the country the badly needed benefit of their knowledge and experience because of his oh-so-fragile ego...)

Tillerson's a bright fellow, and it must be dawning on him by now that his position in this administration is nothing but ceremonial and symbolic (Actual foreign policy is formulated by Steve Bannon) he hasn't been included in any of the meetings Trump has had with foreign leaders, he wasn't sent to the security conference in Munich, his public profile is virtually non-existent and now Trump has indicated that he will be submitting a budget that decimates the State Department budget. (I'm all for the proposed increase in defense spending, but it's both ignorant and foolhardy to think you should try to get the money out of the State Department. Trump's just pandering to the ignoramuses who think we spend 10-20% of the federal budget on foreign aid, rather than the less than 1% we actually spend.)

The State Department is so thinly staffed at senior levels, and has so small a role in crafting for foreign policy, that they don't even conduct daily press briefings anymore. (Which they have done for decades, in both Democratic and Republican administrations.) Add the proposed draconian budget cuts and morale at Foggy bottom must be completely tanking. I expect to see a steady stream of experienced career foreign policy professionals bailing from the department. (A terrible loss for the security of the country)

Tillerson's used to having a real job with real authority, but now he's got a gig that just consists of going to dinners and trying to clean up the latest stupid remarks from his boss. He's also got no incentive to stay for career reasons, because he's not a politician looking to run for higher office. I think it's just a matter of a fairly short amount of time before he decides he doesn't need the frustration and humiliation and says screw it...

Two other good candidates for an early exit:

Ben Carson, Secretary of HUD: Carson's situation is the opposite of Tillerson's; he hasn't had a real job for a long time and has shown no inclination of wanting one. Sec. of HUD is a real job where you're expected to show up for work every day and deal with real issues and real problems. It doesn't just involve making speeches in front of friendly audiences, and spouting uninformed (and in some cases crackpot) opinions to reporters on television. (Which is what seems to be Carson's real passion)

I don't think it's going to be too long before Carson has another rare moment of clarity (like he did when he realized he was completely unqualified to be Sec. of HHS) and he realizes he is completely unsuited both by experience and temperament to head HUD. The job is going to bore him to death...


Wilbur Ross, Commerce Secretary: This guy is yet another thread in the Putingate web, and the press kind fell down on the job in giving sufficient public attention to his relationship with the money laundering bank for the Russian Oligarchs prior to his confirmation:
Ross confirmed to Cabinet, but White House refuses to release his answers on Russia

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The Senate confirmed billionaire businessman Wilbur Ross as commerce secretary Monday night after two Democratic members seared the White House for refusing to release Ross’s written response to questions about his banking ties to Russia’s oligarchs.

Ross, 79, is a billionaire who has turned around high-profile companies in the steel, coal, textiles and auto-parts sectors. Most of his life, he’s been a Democrat, and his nomination drew bipartisan support. He encountered opposition from some Democrats after revelations that his majority ownership of Bank of Cyprus made him a business associate wth Russian oligarchs tied to Putin.

Despite those concerns, the Senate confirmed him on a 72-27 vote.

But that was only after a sharp attack on the White House by Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, the top Democrat on the Senate Commerce committee, who voted for the billionaire but said in a floor speech that the White House had done Ross no favors by refusing to release his answers to questions about his relationship with Russian investors in Bank of Cyprus.

“They’ve refused to provide them to the Senate prior to tonight’s vote. Now this is despite repeated phone calls to the White House; it’s also despite repeated phone calls from me to Mr. Ross to ask him to get the White House off the dime,” Nelson said in an impassioned floor speech ahead of the vote. “He had told me he filled out the answers. There is somebody in the White House making the decision that they don’t want to have in writing what Mr. Ross has told me in private conversation verbally.”

Nelson said he would vote for Ross, a Palm Beach, Fla., resident, because he’s a constituent and an admired businessman. But, he noted, the White House lost votes for Ross by failing to address the questions.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/poli ... rylink=cpy
As the flames of Putingate continue to grow, Ross is going to find himself more and more on the hot seat. At 79, I doubt he's going to find all the negative attention worth the job.

I think it's very reasonable to expect that this Administration is going to see a far higher turnover rate of senior officials much sooner than is typically the case. there's nothing worse from a job point of view then working for a manic micro-manager who knows fuck-all about what he's trying to manage.

This "finely tuned machine" is likely to be in a state of constant chaos and upheaval as long as Trump is in office...
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I was really devastated by Trump's win, but am now coming to realize that it's a blessing of a kind. If he continues to burn federal funds to feed his family's lavish lifestyle, and continues to behave in an unhinged manner, and his administration continues to be a melting pot of incompetence & corruption, and most of the GOP Congress-critters remain shamefully silent about all of that - your party is gonna end up in the wilderness for the next 50 years.

Keep it up, Donny & Co.!
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your party is gonna end up in the wilderness for the next 50 years.
Yeah, I remember hearing that kind of talk when I was a kid after Watergate and the GOP lost 70 seats in the '74 midterms...

History shows that it doesn't take 50 years for the major parties to recover from political disasters...(see Reagan, Ronald Wilson)
his administration continues to be a melting pot of incompetence & corruption, and most of the GOP Congress-critters remain shamefully silent about all of that
I don't think that's going to be as bad as it looks now either...

As the 24/7 Clusterfuck of this Administration rolls on and it starts to look like Trump is going to drag the party to a midterm electoral debacle, you're going to see plenty of folks running for the lifeboats... 8-) (That's why I'm rooting for the Dems to win some of the special elections for congressional seats that are coming up soon)
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I can certainly understand Democrats salivating at the prospect of big gains in 2018, but I strongly feel that for the good of the country Trump needs to be driven from office as soon as possible. (Which is why I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that Putingate will build into something truly substantial, because I think that's the one thing that could do it)

I know there are people here who think Pence would be even worse than Trump (though after the past month and a half I suspect there are fewer people who hold that view then there were before Lord Dampnut was inaugurated.;) )

Mike Pence probably wouldn't make the top 20 on my list of Presidential picks, but whatever one thinks of his personal views on "the social issues" based on the reading I've done his record as Governor was a fairly pragmatic one...

At least a President Pence would kick Bannon and the other Putinistas out of the White House and run a reasonably stable grown-up government...(Which the country really needs...what's going to happen if a genuine international crisis erupts with this government -by-chaos bunch, led by a clinical narcissist, in charge?)

For me, "preferable to Donald Trump" ain't a real high bar...

Hell even Hillary Clinton was able to pass it... 8-)

ETA:

BTW, even if Trump is Impeached and Removed, or resigns, the Democrats will probably have a very strong midterm election cycle anyway. If Trump goes, a lot of the hardcore Trumpanzees will probably throw a hissy fit and not turn out at the polls...
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I don't like Pence's conservative Christian stance on social issues, but I don't think any damage he does in that regard - beyond SCOTUS picks, and he's already gonna do that by influencing Trump - will last terribly long. I'm bothered by his willingness to hitch his wagon to Trump, but I'm guessing he saw in his meetings before accepting the nod that he might have an opportunity to be the next unelected President, so whatever. At this point Trump is such an embarrassment to the country and so volatile & unpredictable, we need him out (& Bannon, Kushner, Conway, et al.) and just deal with Pence.

With regard to the other; that GOP is, sadly, gone the way of the dinosaurs it seems. I'd be thrilled to see it come back - the old Congress where both parties compromised to get things done, like in the 80s. And I'm sorry but I don't think it's the Democrats' fault as much as the Republicans, as Ds have moved to center while Rs have become Tea Party right wing nut jobs with only a few of the old kind of Republican left.
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"the old Congress where both parties compromised to get things done,"

That one seems to have been priced out of the market. The old Congress was based on informal networking--spouses meeting at social gatherings such as picking up their kids from school, congress critters getting together for weekly card games or even bowling, sharing transportation back to the home state for campaigning. Now it is about the money. Congress officially does business only three days a week, (with special exceptions for stuff that is front-page news). The rest of the time is fund raising. Their real job is bringing in money.
Most don't even live in the DC area. The president with his wife and son still back home in NYC is typical of many in congress. The deal making compromises BSG yearns for depended on trust built up slowly, away from the halls of congress. It just can't happen today.

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Listen, if 8 years of being governed by a simian, and now rubato's president being a psychopathic failed TV show host, doesn't make the US seriously think about having a IQ test for voting, then you are fucked, reamed royally with a barbed wire wrapped baseball bat.

The fact that they, and the Alzheimer's guy were all Republicans, is a mere sideshow. IT'S YOUR SYSTEM.
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Our system is usually self-correcting...

Sure, by a very narrow margin we elected an incompetent buffoon to the Presidency in 1976, but just four years later we turned right around and elected by a landslide (and then re-elected by an even bigger landslide) the greatest President of the second half of the 20th century. (It was quite fortuitous that at about the same time the UK also elected their greatest Prime Minister of the second half of the 20th century. Neither country has enjoyed leadership of that high a quality since.)

And your repeated comparisons between George W Bush and Trump are really grossly unfair to Bush...

What ever you may think of his policies, 43 is a fundamentally decent man who tried to do what he sincerely believed was in the best interests of the country.

Donald Trump is not...

George has been out doing interviews the past few days, and I have really been struck by the complete contrast between him and Trump...

George is an easy going man, very comfortable in his skin and very much aware of his limitations. He also is happy to poke fun at himself, and laughs easily when others do. Despite the savaging he frequently received in the press, it would never in a million years occur to him to think of journalists (or anyone politically opposed to him) as "the enemy"...

It's just not in his make up.

Despite the lies Trump told about him and his brother during the campaign, 43 refuses to descend to Trumps level. He has criticized him, and he's calling for a thorough investigation into all the aspects of Putingate but he doesn't do any of it in the coarse, vulgar, personal way that Trump operates...

Again, just not the kind of man he is.

I'd trade Trump for George W. Bush in a heartbeat...
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Don't compare Carter to Trump, that's despicable. Carter may have been naive and inexperienced- but he wasn't an incompetent buffoon. That's Trump.
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I think you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
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BoSoxGal wrote:Don't compare Carter to Trump, that's despicable. Carter may have been naive and inexperienced- but he wasn't an incompetent buffoon. That's Trump.
No, Carter most certainly was an incompetent buffoon. The mess he left as President proves that.

That having been said, I certainly did not mean to imply that he was as bad as Trump. I will credit Carter with having a sincere belief (as wrong-headed as it was) that he was pursuing policies that were in the best interests of the country.

I would never credit Trump with that kind of benign and sincere motivation.

And while Carter could be pretty cynical as a politician, I also don't believe he would ever see his political adversaries as "enemies" (He would have no cause to ever see the mainstream press as "the enemy" of course; they've been kissing his ass for more than 40 years.)

On a normal scale he's definitely always been prickly and thin skinned, but compared to Trump he has a hide of leather...(but then that would be true of almost anyone) also Carter is very severely challenged in the self-awareness category, but again not in the same league on that score as Trump. (Almost nobody is.)

No, I'm not trying to equate Carter with Trump. Trump is in a unique class of toxicity all his own.

But I still view the election of Jimmy Carter as a misfortune for the country, even if it is nowhere near the level of misfortune that the election of Trump represents. Just because he isn't as bad as the worst ever doesn't mean he still isn't pretty bad.

I'm sorry if you don't like the way I talk about Carter, but that's too bad. If the man had had the decency to fade into richly deserved obscurity, (or just focus on charitable causes) that would be one thing

But his continuous ignorant freelance meddling in foreign policy, and his willingness (even eagerness) to serve as a propaganda tool for regimes and other foreign interests that do not wish this country well, make him fair game.

As long he persists in trying to be a policy shaping player, he makes himself a legitimate target for criticism, and I'm going to continue to provide reality checks about him.

You can give me a hard time about it if you want to, but I'm going to be honest and tell that will only encourage me to post more about him.
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Well he's going on 93 so I think you're gonna need to give up the vendetta pretty soon. :nana


But yeah, I just wanted to be sure you weren't intending to equate him to 45.
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Gob wrote:I think you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
Yeah, and the British and Australian systems have produced nothing but a long unbroken string of wise and capable leaders...

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Lord Jim wrote:
Gob wrote:I think you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
Yeah, and the British and Australian systems have produced nothing but a long unbroken string of wise and capable leaders...
But our "leaders" are not in the same powerful position as rubato's president is.
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Well he's going on 93 so I think you're gonna need to give up the vendetta pretty soon. :nana
I promise not to say anything about him on the day he passes...

I make no promises however, about the day after... 8-)
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As crappy as things are with Drumph (it hasn't even been 100 days yet).....I rather have "Mr. Peanut" in the WH.

Even though the Carter years were every bit as full of gloom as Drumph's hellish days. :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Gob wrote:Listen, if 8 years of being governed by a simian....
And you're governed by what?
An old dowager whose only claim to the job was birth order (basically, the old feudal system of primogeniture).
That and the fact that once someone *DOES* occupy the throne they don't have to leave it until they are toes-up on a gurney.
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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Gob wrote:Listen, if 8 years of being governed by a simian....
And you're governed by what?
The world's premier parliament.

Bicycle Bill wrote:An old dowager whose only claim to the job was birth order (basically, the old feudal system of primogeniture).
That and the fact that once someone *DOES* occupy the throne they don't have to leave it until they are toes-up on a gurney.
This may better educate you;
The present Queen ... is kept very closely in touch with the exercise of governmental power by means of a weekly audience with the prime minister during which she is fully briefed about the affairs of government ... [But it] should be emphasised that the prime minister is not under any obligation to take account of royal opinions.

In simple terms, the prerogative is used to govern the realm in the name of the Crown; although the monarch has the "right to be consulted, the right to encourage, and the right to warn", her role involves no exercise of discretion
Now then, even if Brenda did have powers to affect legislation, which she does not, who would you prefer affecting your rights;

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