Gorsuch Confirmation Hearings

[Big RR]

It, and now both sides will have to deal with that fact.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Weren't they like that at the turn of the century anyway? Some rule change in 2003 comes to mind (although I was probably drunk so I forgive me if I am remembering incorrectly)

[Big RR]

oldr--my recollection of the filibuster is that it was around since the beginning of the senate, but rules for cloture (cutting off debate) did not appear until the early 20th century (originally 66 or 67 votes, then 60). As I recall, however, fillibusters could be regulated by refusing to grant any courtesy to those continuing the debate, making them continue for hours without any break, and then ruling that the senator yielded the floor if (s)he stopped speaking to use the restrooms or eat or whatever).

I'm not sure when the nuclear option rule became official, but now all judicial nominees can be voted on, and debate closed, by a simple majority vote.

[liberty]

Having to do with an appointment of a federal official. M (can’t remember spelling) verses Madison.

Marbury v. Madison. And while an appointment to federal office (justice of the peace for the District of Columbia) was the matter at issue, the decision is important not because of that, but because it declared the Judiciary Act of 1789 unconstitutional to the extent it broadened the jurisdiction of federal courts beyond what was set out under Article III.

Was John Marshall a tyrant? Were Madison, Jefferson and Adams ignorant of constitutional function?

No Marshal was not a tyrant, but there is big difference between interpreting where there is room to interpret and changing the meaning. And I agree with the precedent; someone has interpret when the meaning is not clear.

[Sue U]

It's all a moot point now anyway, McConnell went nuclear.

[Sue U]

No Marshal was not a tyrant, but there is big difference between interpreting where there is room to interpret and changing the meaning.

In what case has the Supreme Court "chang[ed] the meaning" of the Constitution?

[Guinevere]

It's all a moot point now anyway, McConnell went nuclear.

Perfection.

[rubato]

It's all a moot point now anyway, McConnell went nuclear.

Nooooooo! Not the turtle! Not the turtle!


If McConnell were a turtle he would be sincere and nice.

(ok He could be a snapping turtle, they bite off toes, fingers and any other part that sticks out. As well as snacking on baby ducks and baby box turtles. They bad)


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yrs,
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[Sue U]

(ok He could be a snapping turtle, they bite off toes, fingers and any other part that sticks out. As well as snacking on baby ducks and baby box turtles. They bad)

But delicious.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Poor turtle.

[Bicycle Bill]

Nooooooo! Not the turtle! Not the turtle!

If McConnell were a turtle he would be sincere and nice.   #TurtleLivesMatter

(ok He could be a snapping turtle, they bite off toes, fingers and any other part that sticks out. As well as snacking on baby ducks and baby box turtles. They bad)

yrs,
rubato

FIFY, rubato.  You forgot the Twatter hashtag.

-"BB"-

[rubato]

Don't mock the turtle!


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[Bicycle Bill]

(ok He could be a snapping turtle, they bite off toes, fingers and any other part that sticks out. As well as snacking on baby ducks and baby box turtles. They bad)

But delicious.

You know, don't you, that there is another meaning to the word "snapper"?

-"BB"-

[Sue U]

You know, don't you, that there is another meaning to the word "snapper"?

Not in Philadelphia there's not.

[BoSoxGal]

I listened to the vote this morning on CSPAN radio en route to a physician appointment and I will admit I got choked up and tearful. Could be crazy menopause hormones, but I felt like it was the final death knell of the Congress I grew up fascinated by and passionate about. I went to law school in D.C. in '97 with the expectation of eventually becoming a legislative staff attorney, but became profoundly jaded by the actions of the Gingrich revolution's highly partisan Republicunts which I (along with far more learned pundits) mark as the beginning of the profound dysfunction in Congress. It seemed like the Senate was the last hope for civility and a cure for all that, but this really felt like a last nail in the coffin. Given what has been taking place at the state level, with ALEC infiltration of our legislatures and gerrymandering, I am losing hope for a brighter future for regular people.

[Big RR]

What I'm more concerned with is as the legislative dysfunction increases, it makes it much more likely for some glib talking idiot to come in and take over everything because congress is merely ineffective. And de,mocracy will die not with shots and screams, but thunderous idiotic applause.

[BoSoxGal]

[Guinevere]

[RayThom]

It's official. Duh!

[ex-khobar Andy]

Gorsuch confirmed. And even though I am one of those who thought that he was perhaps the best we could hope for from this so-called 'president' I am appalled by the process. And I do not think that those accusations of plagiarism we minor. In a scientific context (don't know about legal) if you are quoting a secondary author who is quoting a primary, you always cite them both. The NYT gets this spectacularly wrong:

The confirmation was also a vindication of the bare-knuckled strategy of Senate Republicans, who refused even to consider President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court pick, Judge Merrick B. Garland, saying the choice of the next justice should belong to the next president

No it fucking is not a vindication of the refusal to consider Garland.