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rubato
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Ca vs Ks.

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http://equitablegrowth.org/equitablog/s ... omparison/

Should-Read: Paul Krugman: On Twitter: “The CA/KS comparison—Brown and Brownback took office same time—never gets old, because the derp keeps coming…” https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/ ... 5239326720
Paul Krugman on Twitter The CA KS comp Brown and Brownback took office same time never gets old because the derp keeps coming https t co JVMQZ8msUB https t co 2JQPUz7rVr

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Middle Class Political Economist: How wrong is IBD on California? Let us count the ways http://www.middleclasspoliticaleconomis ... et-us.html: “Investor’s Business Daily has a hit piece out on California…

…Amazingly, the editorial does not mention regulations once, though it did get around to the “job-killing $15-an-hour minimum wage” recently passed…. The article calls California “the highest-tax state in the union.” If that’s so, it’s just another example of the false claim (popular also with Arthur Laffer and the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council) that high taxes always mean bad policy outcomes. (FWIW, according to Forbes, California only has the sixth-highest state and local tax burden.) So what have been the consequences of all of California’s tax increases? According to IBD, “Since 2004, California has lost more than 1 million people, representing a $26 billion net income loss.”

Of course… California’s population grew by almost exactly 4 million between 2004 and 2016, from 35.25 million to 39.25 million…. Interstate immigration is only one element of population change, and IBD conveniently omits the rest. And the $26 billion alleged income loss due to interstate out-migration over that time period? A rounding error in an economy which grew from $1.8 trillion (2004) to $2.2 trillion (2015) annually in real 2009 dollars…. The article further claims that because of taxes, over 10,000 firms, including Toyota, “have either fled the state or reduced their investments.” Of course, Toyota has been replaced in its Fremont factory by Tesla, the most valuable auto company in the United States by market capitalization…. California hit its pre-recession peak employment in January 2008 at 16,949,800 (6.1% unemployment rate), went below 16 million employed and over 12% unemployment in the worst of the Great Recession, but in December 2016 reached 18,376,600 employed with just a 5.2% unemployment rate. So something more than offset all the companies that “fled,” I guess.

Of course… California has persistent problems… a shortage of affordable housing…. But that means, contrary to the tax-doomsayers, that it is low-income people moving out and higher income people moving in…. All in all, the editorial is Exhibit 538 in pressuring states to cut taxes, pretending you can provide infrastructure, education, and training without tax revenue, and that you can create prosperity by creating low-wage jobs.

Who reads Investors Business Daily and expects anything other than a highly spun and distorted view of reality?


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Re: Ca vs Ks.

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When will Republicans begin looking at the data honestly and admit their policies do .. not .. work ..? When Clinton raised taxes they said the economy would tank, the opposite happened.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... s-cut-them
What happened after California raised taxes and Kansas cut them
06/21/16 11:31 AM
By Steve Benen
The state of California made some headlines last week when the latest economic data found that the Golden State’s economy is now the sixth largest on the planet, passing France and Brazil. It was a striking milestone just in terms of California’s sheer economic might.

But there was something else about the news with some political salience: when California raised taxes on the wealthy in 2012, creating one of the highest marginal tax rates in the country, conservatives were certain the state’s economy would take a severe hit. How’d that work out? The Washington Post reported the other day:

California grew just fine in the year the tax hikes took effect… California’s economy grew by 4.1 percent in 2015, according to new numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, tying it with Oregon for the fastest state growth of the year. That was up from 3.1 percent growth for the Golden State in 2014, which was near the top of the national pack.

At the same time, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) slashed taxes, leading conservatives to predict great things for the state’s economy. And yet, here we are.

The Kansas economy, on the other hand, grew 0.2 percent in 2015. That’s down from 1.2 percent in 2014, and below neighboring states such as Nebraska (2.1 percent) and Missouri (1.2 percent). Kansas ended the year with two consecutive quarters of negative growth – a shrinking economy. By a common definition of the term, the state entered 2016 in recession. […]

Kansas’s gross domestic product is still less than it was at the end of 2011, said Menzie Chinn, an economist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who has been following Kansas’s economy. Meanwhile, the economy in the rest of the country continues to expand.

In case it’s not obvious, California and Kansas don’t have much in common, and they have very different populations and industries. It wouldn’t be fair to evaluate the two solely on the basis of size.

But it is fair to note that conservatives’ predictions weren’t even close to being correct about these two states – though it hasn’t caused much in the way of introspection.

Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum noted the other day, “This, of course, has caused conservatives to think long and hard about their contention that cutting taxes on the rich and slashing bloated budgets will supercharge the economy. Haha. Just kidding. What they’ve actually done is either (a) ignore Kansas or (b) spend lots of time trying to dig up reasons that Kansas is a special case and would have done even worse if Brownback hadn’t stepped in. These reasons tend to be pretty ridiculous, but so far they’ve been good enough to keep the rubes in line. And that’s what matters, right?” ..."

Is there some way to get them to "own" their totally failed predictions?

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Who needs reality when you have convenient alternative facts? Will MG Mechanic chime in with a local view of what Kansas is dong in the immediate future about investing in education?

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