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NEW HEALTH-CARE PLANS AVAILABLE UNDER TRUMP
By Sam Weiner February 10, 2017

PLATINUM

For a monthly premium of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, this plan gives you prime access to all health-care options—no referrals or medical ailments required! If you’d like an MRI just for the fun of it, you’ll be slid into the very next available magnetic scanning tube. All prescription medication is free, plus the pharmacist has to say, “I love you; you are my moral superior,” when you pick it up.

GOLD

The same as the Platinum Plan, but only available to people who own a gold mine.

SILVER

For the incredible price of just $49.99 a month, you’ll receive a five-hundred-millilitre bottle of an unbelievable liquid miracle cure containing nanoparticle colloidal silver! Just one tablespoon daily will boost immune-system strength, make skin look decades younger, and improve your performance in the boardroom and the bedroom.*

*A study conducted by the Colloidal Silver Foundation of Orlando confirms colloidal silver’s effectiveness. Patient Todd S. reported, “After I started taking colloidal silver, my necrotizing fasciitis cleared up and my blood has skyrocketed in value because of all the silver in it!”

BRONZE

You can see any doctor in your network for only a ten-dollar co-pay. Your deductible is forty million dollars.

CADILLAC

A man in a top hat will throw a crumpled-up hundred-dollar bill at you if he hits you with his Cadillac. (Not to be confused with the ROLLS ROYCE plan, in which your decrepit body will be rolled up into a carpet and sold to a man named Royce.)

TURQUOISE

Only when your lesions turns this color will you be allowed to see a doctor.

REASONABLY AFFORDABLE OPTION

This plan features small co-pays and a low deductible, and allows you to see out-of-network specialists for the in-network price with just a single referral. This shockingly fair option is listed here because decades of social patterning have taught poor people to skip the top half of any list ordered by price.

WOMEN’S EMERGENCY PLAN

If you’re a woman who needs quick and compassionate help with family planning or contraception, this taxpayer-funded plan allows you to see any in-network priest.

BAUXITE

Only covers catastrophic injuries. Only lets you visit a veterinarian.

FELDSPAR

No health care will be provided to you, but nurses will remind any living relatives to mourn you.

AMETHYST

If you often require medical assistance but can’t afford to pay a lot, this plan lets you see—whenever, wherever, and however often you need—a photograph of a doctor. (You will need prior authorization if you prefer to look at a picture of a dog wearing a stethoscope.)

GRANITE

Free pickup of your carcass from the gutter after your death.

GRANITE+

Includes all the features of the Granite Plan, plus a guarantee that you’ll be buried in your own grave.

DIAMOND

You pay nothing up front. You pay nothing later. You receive the highest quality medical care available. No matter what happens to you, you will never die. However, as the centuries pass, you will discover that immortality has its own price.

SINGLE-PAYER

A single payer covers the entire cost of your health care. The single payer is you.

Stumbled on this today and it made me chuckle.

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GOP senators: We're doing our own healthcare bill

Several Republican senators sent a warning shot to the House after its passage of an ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill Thursday, indicating it won’t be easy to get the measure through the upper chamber.

Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.), one of the most vulnerable GOP senators up for reelection in 2018, said he wouldn’t support the House’s bill in its current form.

“We cannot pull the rug out from under states like Nevada that expanded Medicaid and we need assurances that people with pre-existing conditions will be protected,” he said in a statement.

Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) made clear his concerns over how the House bill treats Medicaid. While ObamaCare expanded the healthcare program to more low-income Americans, the House bill would eliminate that expansion in 2020.

“I’ve already made clear that I don’t support the House bill as currently constructed,” Portman said in a statement, “because I continue to have concerns that this bill does not do enough to protect Ohio's Medicaid expansion population, especially those who are receiving treatment for heroin and prescription drug abuse.”

Republicans have little margin for error in the Senate. With a 52-48 majority, they can only afford to lose two votes — assuming Vice President Pence swoops in to break a tie — under the fast-track budget maneuver Republicans are using to repeal ObamaCare.

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) pointed to the difficulties to come. He highlighted his three priorities for the bill, which include rescuing Americans in areas where their health marketplaces may not have any insurers offering plans in 2018.

“The Senate will now finish work on our bill, but will take the time to get it right,” Alexander, chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, said in a statement.

The House passed the American Health Care Act in a 217 to 213 vote, sending the bill to the upper chamber. Yet, Senate leadership has acknowledged the legislation will need to change in the chamber in order to get enough of its members on board.

“We can’t be for half a dozen different proposals; we have to be for a proposal for us to get 51 votes in the Senate,” Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) told The Hill an hour before the House vote.

“We’ll start with the House bill, but we’ll need to work with every member of the Senate conference to see what they need to get to yes.”

Likely changes could focus on Medicaid and adding increased financial assistance, in the form of tax credits, to help low-income Americans afford health insurance.

It’s possible the Senate could run into the same problem the House toiled over for almost two months. Move the bill to right, and moderates will defect. Move the bill to the center, and the measure will lose conservative votes.

An eleventh-hour amendment to the House bill from Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) — a former chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee who came out against the bill earlier this week — helped secure the support of enough House moderates to pass the bill.

The amendment provided $8 billion over five years to help people with pre-existing conditions afford premiums in states that opt out of a core ObamaCare provision banning health insurers from charging consumers more based on their health.

The House voted on the bill without a new score from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which drew the ire of some lawmakers. Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.) cited the lack of a CBO score as one of the main reasons why he voted against the bill.

And Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) tweeted that “A bill — finalized yesterday, has not been scored, amendments not allowed, and 3 hours final debate — should be viewed with caution.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3319 ... ust-change

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., did not indicate how the Senate would act. "As Congress considers this legislation, the administration will continue working to deliver relief and stabilize health markets, and Congress will continue to act on legislation to provide more choices and freedom in healthcare decisions," he said.

"Senate consideration will be scheduled following the completion of procedural and budgetary scorekeeping reviews," a top GOP aide added.

The working group is made up of members of the three committees that have jurisdiction over healthcare: Finance, Budget and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions panel.

Cornyn said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who has co-authored her own Obamacare replacement measure, "has been an integral part of the discussions."

Collins has written a proposal with Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., that would allow states to keep Obamacare or provide an alternative that would entail auto-enrolling residents in a basic health insurance and pharmacy plan.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senat ... le/2622152

So the Senate is writing their own bill from scratch, and three committees will be holding hearings and calling witnesses, and no bill will be voted on until it has been scored by the CBO...

Things that didn't happen in the House...

Needless to say this process is going to take months, and at the end of it most likely produce a bill that bears almost no resemblance to the one that the House was just barely able to pass...

And even after all of that, there's a very good chance that they still won't be able to produce a bill that will pass their own chamber let alone the House...

Everything they do to win votes of people like Collins, Portman and Murkowski, can cost them with Paul (who doesn't even support the current House bill; not draconian enough for him) Cruz and Lee...
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Trump just admitted that Australia has better healthcare than the USA, in photo op with the visiting PM.

Australia has universal healthcare.

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If we were to believe wes, Lord Dampnut is supposedly in favour of universal single payor, so not sure what happened between the campaign and now.
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"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"????? :o :roll: Uhhh...really? "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"?????

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What channel did that?! Fox News, I presume?
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Trump: I’m ‘so confident’ health care bill will pass the Senate

"We are going to get this passed through the Senate. I am so confident. ... This is a great plan. I actually think it will get even better. Make no mistake, this is a repeal and a replace of Obamacare."

A few hours later, Trump praised Australia's universal health care system to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at their meeting in New York City.

"We have a failing health care -- I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do," he said.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., an advocate for a government-run universal health care option, jumped on Trump's comment.

"The president has just said it. That's great. Let's take a look at the Australian health care system, and let's move," Sanders said in an interview on MSNBC. "Maybe he wants to take a look at the Canadian health care system or systems throughout Europe. Thank you, Mr. President. Let us move to a Medicare-for-all system that does what every other major country does."

The bill now advances to the Senate, where it will face more challenges -- as the upper chamber gives far more power to individual members to hold up passage and force changes. Further, bills that barely escape the House rarely do well in the Senate, where the gap between Republican and Democratic members is much smaller (four seats).

The bill will also face more tugs-of-war between GOP conservatives and moderates in the Senate. Several Republicans in the chamber have already echoed Democratic concerns that the AHCA doesn't do enough to protect individuals from high premiums and refusal of service if they lose their coverage.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/05/ ... 493913394/

So Trump is "confident" that the Senate will pass a bill that the Senate is not even going to take up or vote on...

That would be a neat trick...

As for his comments about the Australian system; it just illustrates how little this chuckle head has actually thought about this whole topic, and how supremely ignorant he is of what the bill he's cheering for actually does, or how the health care systems of other countries work.

The biggest change any Senate bill would have from the House bill is on Medicaid expansion. There are 20 Republican Senators that represent states that signed on to Medicaid expansion. Nearly two months ago, four of them (one more vote than would be needed to sink any bill that contained Medicaid rollback) signed a public letter saying they would vote against any bill containing the rollback:
Four GOP senators pledge to vote against rolling back Medicaid expansion

Four GOP senators on Monday told Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) they will vote against any ObamaCare repeal bill that eliminates the healthcare law's Medicaid expansion.

Sens. Rob Portman (Ohio,) Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.), Cory Gardner (Colo.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), all from expansion states, said they want to ensure those covered won't be left in the cold.

"We believe Medicaid needs to be reformed, but reform should not come at the cost of disruption in access to health care for our country’s most vulnerable and sickest individuals," the senators said in a letter to McConnell.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/32 ... e-medicaid

Without even getting into a debate about the morality, the political optics of the House bill are absolutely horrendous...

Nancy Pelosi got it exactly right (Did I really say that?) when she laid out exactly how the Dems will use this:
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi blasted the bill and timing of the vote.

"Do you believe in what is in this bill?" she said Thursday. "Some of you have said ... well, they'll fix it in the Senate. But you have every provision of this bill tattoos on your forehead you will glow in the dark on this one."

The remark was met with cheers and applause.

"You will glow in the dark," she repeated.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/ ... care-vote/

The short hand for this is going to be, "Congressman so and so voted to throw 24 million people off of their healthcare, and make health care much more expensive for older folks and sick people so they could give a tax cut to the rich"...

On the other side, I have yet to hear any kind of real defense of this bill, beyond "Obamacare is dead/dying so we had to come up with something else"...

Which of course even if that proposition were true, wouldn't explain why this bill is the "something else" they had to come up with...

The other "argument" that gets made is "We got elected by promising to repeal and replace Obamacare, and we need to keep our promise"

Which obviously also doesn't say anything about why this bill is a good thing, or needed to be the "repeal and replacement" that they promised....

And the central complaints about this bill are real, and can't be dismissed as mere partisan rhetoric, (Like the claim Democrats have been making for three generations that Republicans were going to take away Grandma's social security check)

The estimate of 24 million losing health care doesn't come from Nancy Pelosi, or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders...

It comes from the Congressional Budget Office (And that was for the first bill; this bill contains all of the provisions that led to that estimate, plus some additional ones that are likely to increase that number)

The bill does increase the maximum amount that an older person can be charged for health care from three times the rate of a younger person, to five times, and that will undoubtedly price some out of the market.

While claiming that the prohibition against discriminating on the basis of an existing pre-condition remains intact, the bill does include changes that will allow for vast increases in premiums for this group, which will also no doubt price many out of the market.

The bill does does slash the amounts for subsidies available for lower and middle income people to purchase health care (8 of 10 people currently on Obamacare rely on these subsides)

And the plan does eliminate some taxes on higher income earners:
Eliminate the Medicare surtax on wages: High-income earners currently pay the 1.45% Medicare payroll tax on wages up to $200,000 ($250,000 if married). But then they pay an additional 0.9 percentage points -- or 2.35% - on wages above those levels.

Get rid of the Medicare tax on investments: In addition to the surtax on wages, high-income earners making more than $200,000 ($250,000 if married filing jointly) are subject to a 3.8% Medicare tax on a portion of their investment income, which is determined by formula. Investment income includes money from capital gains, dividends, interest, rental income and annuities.

The revised House bill would eliminate this so-called net investment income tax in 2017.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/04/news/ec ... re-repeal/

Whatever else a bill that throws millions of low income people off of their health coverage and makes it much more expensive for millions more low and middle income people, while at the same time cutting taxes for higher income Americans is, it is terrible politics...
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Where is wes when you need him to explain how this bill is really light years better than the ACA?

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no need to comment on something that does not yet exist.

the senate will have a completely different plan, then the two plans will have to be reconciled.

we still have no idea what the new scheme will look like.

I m sure that I won t approve anyway.

as long as the bloodsucking health insurance companies maintain control of health care, I won t approve.

but keep up the pointless, divisive memes. they suit you.

they define you.

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as long as the bloodsucking health insurance companies maintain control of health care, I won t approve.
And yet, that is what your hero has embraced...
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well...., lou dobbs comes close....

...but I really haven t had a hero since brooks robinson......

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But it is what Trump endorsed and called a good plan--"make no mistake about it" (repeated an infinite number of times--like Kweeg with "I kid you not").

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wesw wrote:I m sure that I won t approve anyway.
It's great that the consequences of voting for a carnival barker are finally sinking in for you. I didn't imagine the bloom would be off the rose quite so soon.

Shows that you are capable of growth, good on you.
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But it is what Trump endorsed and called a good plan-
"Good plan"?...

He calls it a "great plan"...

(Of course in his defense, it should be noted that he has no more idea what is in this health care plan than he does why the Civil War was fought...)
but I really haven t had a hero since brooks robinson......
Okay, well I'm with you on that one...

I was never a fan of the Orioles, (Especially after Robert Short...may he continue to roast in Hell...Stole The Senators away from Washington and moved them to lord gimmie strength Arlington Texas :roll: in the middle of the night...)

But Brooks Robinson is probably the greatest fielding third baseman to ever play the game...(Certainly the best I ever saw play...even though he played under the hated Earl Weaver..."The Donald Trump Of Baseball Managers")
Brooks Robinson was definitely the best fielding third baseman of all time and one of the best overall in MLB history. He constantly made amazing plays.

Over his 23 seasons, all with the Orioles, he won a startling 16 Gold Gloves. Not only was he the best fielder, but he showed some solid hitting, having a career .267 batting average, 2,848 hits and 1,357 RBI.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9241 ... -all-time/

And the 79 year old Mr. Robinson is and always has been a class act...

(Unlike the embarrassing vulgarian who currently occupies the White House)

Here's my question wes...

How can someone who holds a high class, high quality, genuinely accomplished person like Brooks Robinson in such high esteem...

Simultaneously embrace such a low-class, low-quality con artist, with no genuine accomplishments beyond his ability to con other people...(And even that seems to running thin...)

As President Of The United States?

I have a hard time understanding that wes...
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well, I was hopeful that Obama would deliver the health care that he promised.

it was one of the bright spots of his election.

that, and the fact that my black friends were so happy.....

and what happened?

he divided us further, along race and gender and religious lines, and made it against the law not buy the insurance companies product.

all we have at the moment is a pencil outline of a plan that will change dramatically before it ever comes to Trump for his signature.

omnibus bills are full of omnibullshit.

....and the house goes on recess...., again.

we could pick 535 random people off the street and do better than our current congress

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jim, your lack of understanding amazes me too....

...I can t explain it either.... :shrug

:D

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You have no answer...

Gee, what a surprise...
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wes would do well to stock up on methadone for as long as he can, before his, uh, pre-existing condition bars him from accessing any health care at all.
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well I ve never agreed with anyone about everything, have you?

I think that Clinton is a low class con artist, and perhaps worse....

I won t ask you to explain your vote for her.....

but she is starting a new super-pac, I heard today...

so belly on up to the trough, if you can t Resist... or if you can.....

a free black mask for every donor, I m sure....

and an open bar, Molotov cocktails only tho....

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