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A NORTH Carolina high school has rejected a family’s request for their 17-year-old daughter, who died last year, to be included in the graduation ceremony.

The New York Post reports that the parents of Rachel Rosoff, who was fatally electrocuted in a pool last September, contacted William G. Enloe Magnet High School about recognising her, but were told that would be inappropriate.

Principal Will Chavis told the family in an email that acknowledging Rachel may cause students to “react in ways that would take trained professionals (i.e. counsellors) to support” at the graduation in Raleigh.

“Because graduation is meant to be a ceremony for students’ accomplishments and a celebration thereof, we want to ensure that the ceremony maintains a happy, vibrant feel,” Mr Chavis wrote in the email, which her mum shared on Facebook.

Rachel’s sister, Jordana Rosoff, launched a petition on Change.org last week to get the high school to reconsider.

“They feel it may cause sadness and bring people down on a day that is supposed to be celebratory,” she wrote.

“They want to pretend that she did not exist, which not only hurts me, but my family and her friends.”

The petition has since garnered more than 5000 signatures.
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I'm inclined to think that the girl would have been shocked if she knew about this.

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Rachel missed her entire senior year of school. Having only three years of high school would surely blow up her GPA and disqualifying her from graduating. Even though most high schools in America now hand out diplomas just for showing up, this ex-student clearly didn't amass the days necessary for graduation.
An honorary diploma would merely cheapen the efforts put in by all the other graduates.

As the commencement exercise begins the principal should mention the names of all who died prior to graduation and then hand the podium over to the valedictorian and proceed with the festivities.
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RayThom wrote:Rachel missed her entire senior year of school. Having only three years of high school would surely blow up her GPA and disqualifying her from graduating. Even though most high schools in America now hand out diplomas just for showing up, this ex-student clearly didn't amass the days necessary for graduation.
An honorary diploma would merely cheapen the efforts put in by all the other graduates.

As the commencement exercise begins the principal should mention the names of all who died prior to graduation and then hand the podium over to the valedictorian and proceed with the festivities.
Ray, no one said they were going to 'graduate' her with her class or give her a posthumous diploma; according the information I could find on the web —
http://nypost.com/2017/05/08/graduation ... rant-feel/
http://abc11.com/news/12000-plus-sign-p ... e/1959620/
https://www.change.org/p/wake-county-sc ... graduatiom
— it would have just been a brief recognition of her as a person who had been a member of 'the class of 2017' until her unfortunate and accidental death.  I don't think this would have been in any way inappropriate.

As for the principal expressing the opinion that the inclusion would disrupt the celebration's
...happy, vibrant feel...
and
... has potential to cause students (or others) to react in ways that would take trained professionals (i.e. counselors) to support ...
(direct quotes from his response; see my first link)
or otherwise spoil the poor little snowflakes' 'special day' — so now he's psychic and can predict the future?  That's just bullshit.  Media vita in morte sumus, and the sooner people realize and embrace it, the sooner they will find satisfaction in the knowledge.
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I don't get this; every graduation I've ever attended has included a recognition of class members who died. It's a small part of the ceremony and shouldn't in any way ruin the day. If you haven't been personally touched by death by high school, then you certainly need to realize life can be fleeting and unfair - that's important knowledge for navigating life.
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BoSoxGal wrote:I don't get this; every graduation I've ever attended has included a recognition of class members who died. It's a small part of the ceremony and shouldn't in any way ruin the day...
Yes, this is how they handled my graduation ceremonies. With over 800 graduating Seniors nothing more was expected than name recognition. Too much Pomp and Circumstance is more annoying than appreciated.

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She wasn't just cute, she was electro-cute.


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rubato wrote:She wasn't just cute, she was electro-cute.
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Is this a wire story?
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BREAKING NEWS... here's a current update:
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/ ... 81142.html
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Gob wrote:
A NORTH Carolina high school has rejected a family’s request for their 17-year-old daughter, who died last year, to be included in the graduation ceremony.

The New York Post reports that the parents of Rachel Rosoff, who was fatally electrocuted in a pool last September, contacted William G. Enloe Magnet High School about recognising her, but were told that would be inappropriate.

Principal Will Chavis told the family in an email that acknowledging Rachel may cause students to “react in ways that would take trained professionals (i.e. counsellors) to support” at the graduation in Raleigh.
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No need to read anymore: Damn Yankee have turned southerners into snow flakes, when south is weak there is no hope for the country. If my child was a student there I would be insulted by such a remark. Just because something is sad doesn’t mean it will destroy me, wimps.

The Russians will win they will kick America’s wimpy ass after they eliminate the professional army.
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Seriously. Are you going senile?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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The Russians will win they will kick America’s wimpy ass
Really...
Canada and Australia Each Have Larger Economies Than Russia

[Population Canada: 36 million...Population Australia: 24 million... Population Russia: 144 million]

It is not that Canada and Australia have grown so awfully much. Rather, Russia’s economy has shrunk from a rough parity with Italy, to a rough parity with Spain — a loss of the greater part of $1 trillion of GDP.

Putin’s Russia … now carries roughly the same economic weight as … Spain:

Russia has lost its ranking as the world’s eighth biggest economy, shrinking in just nine months from a $2.1 trillion petro-giant to a mid-size player comparable with Korea or Spain.

For the past several years, Spain has been regarded as one of Europe’s more feeble economies, with 1 in 4 Spaniards unemployed. Spain’s GDP was about $1.4 trillion in 2013, according to the World Bank. Spain was the 13th biggest economy on the planet until Putin ordered tanks into the Crimea.
Russia has been surpassed in GDP by Canada, Australia, and South Korea, and could soon be passed by Mexico and Indonesia:

https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/20 ... -rankings/
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California's economy is 3x that of Russia.

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Lord Jim wrote:
The Russians will win they will kick America’s wimpy ass
Really...
Canada and Australia Each Have Larger Economies Than Russia

[Population Canada: 36 million...Population Australia: 24 million... Population Russia: 144 million]

It is not that Canada and Australia have grown so awfully much. Rather, Russia’s economy has shrunk from a rough parity with Italy, to a rough parity with Spain — a loss of the greater part of $1 trillion of GDP.

Putin’s Russia … now carries roughly the same economic weight as … Spain:

Russia has lost its ranking as the world’s eighth biggest economy, shrinking in just nine months from a $2.1 trillion petro-giant to a mid-size player comparable with Korea or Spain.

For the past several years, Spain has been regarded as one of Europe’s more feeble economies, with 1 in 4 Spaniards unemployed. Spain’s GDP was about $1.4 trillion in 2013, according to the World Bank. Spain was the 13th biggest economy on the planet until Putin ordered tanks into the Crimea.
Russia has been surpassed in GDP by Canada, Australia, and South Korea, and could soon be passed by Mexico and Indonesia:

https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/20 ... -rankings/
But Russia has people that will fight not candy asses like our delicate manicured snow flakes. Hell their woman are tougher than most our men. All we have is an outstanding small army after it is gone we are screwed.
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Crackpot wrote:Seriously. Are you going senile?
I believe your question has been answered with lib posting this crap:
But Russia has people that will fight not candy asses like our delicate manicured snow flakes. Hell their woman are tougher than most our men.
lib is either senile or seriously mentally ill.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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liberty wrote:But Russia has people that will fight not candy asses like our delicate manicured snow flakes. Hell their woman are tougher than most our men. All we have is an outstanding small army after it is gone we are screwed.
Yes, you're right; we have a small standing army compared to what we were fielding in WWII.  But to insinuate that they are our only line of defense and would be easily defeated by a rag-tag group of Russians is spitting in the face of each and every one of the men and women who wear the uniform, from the lowliest recruit up to the highest ranking officer in the Pentagon ... as well as the citizen/soldiers (the reserves and the National Guard units) who stand ready to come forward and swell the ranks if and when called to do so.

Not to mention how dismissive you are of those so-called 'patriots' in the various 'militias', 'Posse Comitatus' groups, and other whack-jobs who are supposedly stockpiling water, MREs, gold, weapons, and ammo and 'training' for when everything supposedly was going to fall apart and it became every man for himself.  You're telling me that they are nothing more than a bunch of big-talking bar-room tough guys high on testosterone who will throw down their weapons, roll over, and piss themselves like puppies if the Rooskies start something and the shit actually hits the fan.  OTOH, you are one of them (or at least a wanna-be one of them) yourself, so I suppose you would know them best.
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liberty wrote:But Russia has people that will fight not candy asses like our delicate manicured snow flakes. Hell their woman are tougher than most our men. All we have is an outstanding small army after it is gone we are screwed.
You're right, liberty. The wimpy US Military should surrender now. Besides, there are too many black people in this country. Putin wouldn't be putin' up with that. He would order blacks to work in the fields where they would grow and pick vodka potatoes and live in small shacks near the Mississippi River. Besides, Putin is stronger than Trump and we need a more powerful leader who can make us great again. Putin would get us back to having leaders from the south because that's where all the southerners live, unlike those swishy northern Yanks.

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Joe Guy wrote:
liberty wrote:But Russia has people that will fight not candy asses like our delicate manicured snow flakes. Hell their woman are tougher than most our men. All we have is an outstanding small army after it is gone we are screwed.
You're right, liberty. The wimpy US Military should surrender now. .
It was not me that said the US military are wimps it is you that is saying it. I was talking about the people not the military. The professional military including the reserves is all we have , unfortunately they are not bullet proof. And not all the people are substandard just too many. Do you remember Vietnam and Iraq? What makes you we think that Russia would be any different?

The professional military we have today was created by Ronald Reagan. I was on active duty when it happened and I remember the change. We had too many people that were not military and many of them were not much better than communist. It took a while to get rid of them but that went a long ways to improve the force.
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dales wrote:
Crackpot wrote:Seriously. Are you going senile?
I believe your question has been answered with lib posting this crap:
But Russia has people that will fight not candy asses like our delicate manicured snow flakes. Hell their woman are tougher than most our men.
lib is either senile or seriously mentally ill.
I am not talking about the military I am talking about the people. We are the ancient Romans (western empire) all over again.
Soon, I’ll post my farewell message. The end is starting to get close. There are many misconceptions about me, and before I go, to live with my ancestors on the steppes, I want to set the record straight.

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