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Re: Another London attack?

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Terrorism is the result of poverty and daily humiliation, and of oppression and imperialist plunder.


as an anywhere near complete or entirely accurate explanation for Islamcist terrorism, (there are numerous examples of people who don't come from economically deprived or "oppressed" backgrounds who have been drawn to to this nihlistic death-cult ideology. The author of that piece seems to me to be engaging in lefty ideologically driven over-simplification; it's much more complex with many more factors than he posits.)
Jim--while I agree it is an oversimplification, it is precisely this sort of over simplification which leads people toward violent acts. Certainly not all who engage in terrorist behaviors come from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, but then many of them carry the baggage of the stories they have heard again and again about the horrible "fill in the blank" (I had several second and even third generation Irish friends who sent money to the IRA even though they never felt such oppression or any disadvantage as Irish Americans--hell most had never even been to Ireland), and many more cast themselves in the role of the savior of the oppressed--kind of like John Brown did. Add to this the anti-moslem rhetoric in some groups, and we see people pushed over the edge into becoming militant terrorists ("they won't even leave us alone to practice our religion").

This is not an excuse for their actions, but it is at least a big part of the puzzle that must be solved. It's not easy, but peace is much harder to sustain than war--and a lasting peace must take into account the motivations of all parties, however illogical they may seem to us.

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well, it is a religious war.

it is a war fought by religious extremists against every and anyone who does not believe as they do.

deny it if you wish, insult me if you wish.

your opinion matters little to me anymore, jim.

(and bicycle meant goodbye...)

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...and another thing, jimbo...

you seem to think that comparing me to rubato is the ultimate insult....

I don t see it that way....

I just see rubato as being wrong about things, and a bit rude....

I see you as much worse than that.

your opinion of yourself is way too high .... (Sheesh, he calls himself Lord, and wants a military coup, and says I am disloyal to the constitution)

you talk about Reagan rolling in his grave?

Ha! you know damned well that he would have chosen trump over Clinton.

you probably just liked him because he was the only one too senile to see thru your bullshit.

serve Mammon , jim, it suits you.

sincerely

joe

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wesw wrote:well, it is a religious war.
Is it now? Trump said exactly the opposite when he was in Saudi Arabia:
Every time a terrorist murders an innocent person, and falsely invokes the name of God, it should be an insult to every person of faith.

Terrorists do not worship God, they worship death.
This is not a battle between different faiths, different sects, or different civilizations.

This is a battle between barbaric criminals who seek to obliterate human life, and decent people of all religions who seek to protect it.
Must have been that evil CNN misquoting him, I guess.
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where the hell is the cuckoo smilie?

the pc police must have removed it.....

anyway, yer fucking nuts dude.

I repeat, I am not joe.

I am not trump

I am not a bear who takes a dump

I m not a dog, I m not a cow...

so don t be a fucking sow...

I am not Theresa may, I m only just a little gay....

I am not your fucking fool, I can beat you shooting pool...

I am tired of your shit....

so fuck off, fuck off little twit....

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Apparently the withdrawal from the latest smack bender is going pretty rough.
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US President Donald Trump has again lashed out at London Mayor Sadiq Khan over his assurances to Londoners following Saturday's terror attack.

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He accused Mr Khan of offering a "pathetic excuse" for saying there was no reason for people to be alarmed.

Mr Khan had in fact said people should not be alarmed by an increased police presence.

After a vigil for the victims of the attack, Mr Khan said he would not allow Mr Trump to "divide our communities".

Seven people were killed and 48 others injured in the attack on Saturday.

The leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron, said: "This is a man insulting our national values at a time of introspection and mourning."

"Try to imagine the UK prime minister attacking the Mayor of NYC the day after 9/11," said European Parliament cabinet member Simon O'Connor.
Stay classy rubato's president.
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I am pleased that Sadiq Khan can think fast.


I am pleased that Sadiq Khan can think.


Unlike some.

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wesw wrote:I am not your fucking fool, I can beat you shooting pool...
I'll take your dare, you silly fool;
You can't beat me shooting pool.
Or throwing darts, or on a bike,
For speed or distance — as you like.
The truth is clear for all to see.
You're a blowhard with a capital 'B'.
And I will say this to your face,
You are just a damned disgrace.
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well, I have no doubt that you could beat me on a bike these days....

I m not much of an athlete anymore....

but pool?

you re just lucky that I gave up gambling.

rack 'em squirrel.....

r

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Don't fuck with Millwall.
A football fan has spoken of how he was stabbed eight times by the London Bridge attackers as he attempted to single-handedly fight off all three of them unarmed.

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Roy Larner, 47, told reporters he shouted “Fuck you, I’m Millwall” – in an allusion to the club’s association with football violence – as he charged into the attackers in the Black & Blue restaurant and bar in Borough Market.

The Peckham resident told the Sun he was knifed in the head, chest and both hands by the terrorists, now known to be Khuram Butt, Rachid Redouane and Youssef Zaghba.

Larner was taken to St Thomas’ Hospital for surgery, where he was later pictured recovering with a Learn to Run book placed on his chest. He was taken off the critical condition list on Sunday.

Recalling the events of Saturday night, he said “They had these long knives and started shouting about Allah. Then it was, ‘Islam, Islam, Islam’.

“Like an idiot I shouted back at them. I thought, ‘I need to take the piss out of these bastards’. I took a few steps towards them and said, ‘Fuck you, I’m Millwall’. So they started attacking me.”

He described how the three extremists smashed open the door of the restaurant to gain entry and he later saw them shot dead by police officers when they left the premises.

“I didn’t think of my safety at the time. I’d had four or five pints – nothing major,” he said. “I can handle myself. But I was out with an old person and it was out of order.”

His partner Tracey Wicks and their daughter Freya, 14, were due to visit him in hospital.
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Respect, French footballers.
French football fans sang God Save The Queen ahead of the match between France and England in tribute to the victims of attacks in London and Manchester.

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After the Paris attacks in 2015, England fans sang La Marseillaise at the game against France at Wembley.

Prime Minister Theresa May and French President Emmanuel Macron attended the match in Paris after holding talks.

The Oasis track Don't Look Back In Anger was played by the Republican Guard at the Stade de France.

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Fans held up red and white placards to recreate the Flag of St George, and a minute's silence was held with players from both sides lining up together.

The British national anthem was played second - the anthem of the home team is normally second in international fixtures.
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Look at that - three Tottenham players in the same picture....
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Gob wrote:Don't fuck with Millwall.
A football fan has spoken of how he was stabbed eight times by the London Bridge attackers as he attempted to single-handedly fight off all three of them unarmed.

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Roy Larner, 47, told reporters he shouted “Fuck you, I’m Millwall” – in an allusion to the club’s association with football violence – as he charged into the attackers in the Black & Blue restaurant and bar in Borough Market.

The Peckham resident told the Sun he was knifed in the head, chest and both hands by the terrorists, now known to be Khuram Butt, Rachid Redouane and Youssef Zaghba.

Larner was taken to St Thomas’ Hospital for surgery, where he was later pictured recovering with a Learn to Run book placed on his chest. He was taken off the critical condition list on Sunday.

Recalling the events of Saturday night, he said “They had these long knives and started shouting about Allah. Then it was, ‘Islam, Islam, Islam’.

“Like an idiot I shouted back at them. I thought, ‘I need to take the piss out of these bastards’. I took a few steps towards them and said, ‘Fuck you, I’m Millwall’. So they started attacking me.”

He described how the three extremists smashed open the door of the restaurant to gain entry and he later saw them shot dead by police officers when they left the premises.

“I didn’t think of my safety at the time. I’d had four or five pints – nothing major,” he said. “I can handle myself. But I was out with an old person and it was out of order.”

His partner Tracey Wicks and their daughter Freya, 14, were due to visit him in hospital.
Respect to that man.


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