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Exercising one's constitutional rights to free speech and free assembly = motivation for political assassination. Hardly.
Oh please...

And if this guy had been photographed carrying a Trump sign, and had worked as a volunteer in Trump's campaign, and had rhetoric on his Facebook page about Nancy Pelosi needing to be destroyed, and had then gone and shot up the Democratic Congressional ball team practice, I'm sure you'd be saying that his political views played no role in his motivation for committing the shooting...

Yeah right....
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The unstable come in all stripes.

We have a criminally negligent mental health system in this country, 300 million + guns, and a twisted, hateful political climate that was in large part cultivated by 20 years of FOX News, extreme free speech from the likes of political performance artists Rush Limbaugh & Alex Jones, et al., and reaped in the 2015/16 campaign cycle by our dear leader and Liar in Chief.

I certainly expect the bloodshed to continue, if the conversation doesn't change.

Here's some food for thought - the court statement given by the Guardian reporter Congressman-elect Gianforte assaulted for his pursuit of the 1st amendment:
On 24 May 2017, I was doing my job. I am a reporter. I asked then-candidate Greg Gianforte a question about the most important issue of the day: the cost of the Republican healthcare plan. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office had just released its cost estimate. Mr Gianforte had repeatedly stated that he needed to see this figure before he could decide whether he supported a massive proposal that would reshape one sixth of the US economy.

I asked Mr Gianforte a question in the same manner I have asked questions of hundreds of politicians: congressmen, senators and even the man who is now our president. Mr Gianforte’s response was to slam me to the floor and start punching me. He injured my elbow, broke my glasses and thrust me into a national spotlight I did not seek or desire.

Mr Gianforte then lied in a defamatory public statement in which he insisted his unprovoked physical attack was somehow my fault. Weeks passed, and I then received a written apology from Congressman-elect Gianforte. He accepted his responsibility for his assault and for his defamation. He has acknowledged the importance of the free press and made a thoughtful contribution to protect journalists around the world.

I have accepted his apology and fully expect his thoughtful words to be followed by concrete actions once he has taken his seat in Congress. I am confident that he will be a strong advocate for a free press and for the first amendment. And I even hope to be able to finally interview him once he has arrived on Capitol Hill.

If this incident were simply between myself and the Congressman-elect, that would be one thing. But it’s had national ramifications on our politics and our culture. While I have no doubt that actions like these were an aberration for Congressman-elect Gianforte personally, I worry that, in the context of our political debate, they have become increasingly common. In recent years, our discourse has grown increasingly rancorous and increasingly vile. This needs to stop.

There will always be fundamental political disagreements in our society. However, these need not become personal and certainly should never become violent.
I just hope this court’s decision can send a strong message about the necessity of civil discourse in our country, the important role of the free press and the need to help heal our political system.
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The unstable come in all stripes.
Amen to that...
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Delta didn't mind when Julius Caesar was staged as Obama by a theatre group it sponsored, nor when Obama was assassinated onscreen in a major motion picture (Kingsmen Secret Service) it was financially sponsoring.

I would think it's got something to do with whiny snowflake Trump supporters - or Trump lawyers - freaking out where Obama supporters and Obama himself understood that politicians are subject of artistic satire, etc.
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He was a Bernie-ite.


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Come on BSG--they need something to bitch about--and Trump routinely cuts even his supporters off at the knees so it's getting harder and harder for them to find something he doesn't know and tweet about. But I doubt he (and most of his supporters) even know who Shakespeare is, let alone that he wrote a play about Julius Caesar (hell, he probably think Caesar invented a salad).

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Sanders Condemns Supporter Who Shot Congressman

Senator Bernie Sanders issued a statement from the Senate floor on Wednesday afternoon condemning the actions of James T. Hodgkinson, the man suspected of shooting at congressmen and their staffers during a baseball practice on Wednesday morning.

Having learned that Hodgkinson reportedly volunteered for Sanders’ campaign at one point, the senator said he was repulsed by his actions. “I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign,” Sanders said.

“I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms.
Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

My hopes and prayers are that Representative Scalise, congressional staff and the Capitol Police Officers who were wounded make a quick and full recovery. I also want to thank the Capitol Police for their heroic actions to prevent further harm.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/sanders-co ... ce=copyurl

Good for you Bernie...


I was also very glad to see this:
Congressional Baseball Game still on despite shooting

Members of Congress will hold their annual charity baseball game on Thursday night, just one day after a man opened fire on Republican lawmakers as they practiced for the event.

In a briefing to all members, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) announced that the game would be neither canceled nor postponed. Speaking to reporters after his announcement, Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) said lawmakers received the news with a standing ovation.

“I haven’t seen a moment like that since I’ve been here,” McSally said.


McSally hails from the same district as former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.), who was shot by a gunman in 2011. She said that Republicans and Democrats opened the meeting by holding hands and praying together.

Rep. Eric Swalwell (Calif.), who is on the Democrats' roster, tweeted that the game will continue as scheduled on Thursday evening.

“The #congressionalbaseballgame is on,” Swallwell tweeted. “We will play for charity, but also for the victims & the heroic officers who took down the shooter.”

Scalise, two Capitol Police officers and a congressional staffer were among five shot Wednesday morning. Scalise is expected to make a full recovery, while the alleged shooter has died from his injuries. Zack Barth, an aide to Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas), was shot and posted on his Facebook that he is “okay.”

The Congressional Baseball Game has been played since 1909 and is a cherished event for Capitol Hill. Republicans and Democrats from both chambers face off once a year, with all proceeds going to charity.

The baseball game is a tradition for lawmakers, taking place at the Washington Nationals’ stadium in Washington, D.C., to raise money for various D.C.-area charities.

On Wednesday morning, as the Republican squad prepared for the game, a man opened fire, injuring Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), at least one congressional aide, a lobbyist practicing with the lawmakers and police officers.

Virtually all events on Capitol Hill were subsequently canceled as lawmakers gathered for a debriefing.

The Congressional Women’s Softball Game, another annual tradition that pits members of Congress against reporters, is also expected to go on as planned next week. Organizing committee member Rachel Palermo told HuffPost that their “thoughts and prayers are with the Congressional Baseball team and staff.” She added that members of the committee will work with police, as they do every year, to ensure the game is safe.

“This morning’s events were unacceptable,” Palermo said in an email. “We will continue to work with U.S. Capitol Police and D.C. Metropolitan Police to ensure the safety of everyone involved with the game.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/con ... 1854868da6

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Going forward with the game is the absolute right thing to do.
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Lord Jim wrote:
Exercising one's constitutional rights to free speech and free assembly = motivation for political assassination. Hardly.
Oh please...

And if this guy had been photographed carrying a Trump sign, and had worked as a volunteer in Trump's campaign, and had rhetoric on his Facebook page about Nancy Pelosi needing to be destroyed, and had then gone and shot up the Democratic Congressional ball team practice, I'm sure you'd be saying that his political views played no role in his motivation for committing the shooting...

Yeah right....
I'm saying being photographed holding a protest sign does not directly relate to the kind of horrific behavior that occurred today. It appears there there was more than politics going on, but I don't dispute that politics may have pushed him over the edge. I've been reading that this guy had a long string of hateful, brutal behaviors -- including beating and/or stalking a female acquaintance/ex.
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And of course the Newt says the shooting is the fault of 'the left'....
(and gets called on it)


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Wow...baseball and semiautomatic weapons. That's about as All-American as you can get!

How 'bout some apple pie for dessert?
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Some more detail about the shooter:
In Belleville, alleged gunman remembered 'as a very irascible, angry little man'

For years, James T. Hodgkinson lived what seemed to be an unremarkable life in this quiet community outside St. Louis, sharing a house with his longtime wife, Sue, and running a home inspection and appraisal business.

But at times, residents say, he showed flashes of anger and violence. In 2006, he was charged with a domestic assault involving a gun and, more recently, a neighbor complained to police that he was shooting his rifle at trees on his property.

All the while, he sought a platform to express increasingly strident left-leaning views, in dozens of letters to the editor of a local newspaper, at an Occupy Wall Street protest, on social media, and in messages to his congressman.


On Wednesday, the combustible mix of weapons and rage allegedly boiled over when, U.S. Capitol Police said, he opened fire on Republican congressmen practicing baseball in Virginia.

Five people — including Rep. Steve Scalise, the House majority whip from Louisiana, who was shot in the hip — were wounded in the shooting and taken to hospitals for treatment, authorities said.

Hodgkinson, who was 66, died from gunshot wounds sustained in a shootout with police, the Capitol Police said. Scalise was listed in critical condition.

"He was a bit of a misanthrope," said Lyndon Evanko, a retired attorney who said he represented Hodgkinson. "He came across as a very irascible, angry little man, but not somebody I would expect to do something like this."

One man reached by the Tribune on Wednesday who is related to Hodgkinson by marriage said he had met him a few times, and was struck by Hodgkinson's odd personality. Hodgkinson was often "in his own world," the man said.

"When I heard this morning was I shocked? No. Was I saying 'Oh, this must be someone else?' No," he said.

Living in a van

The FBI, in a briefing with reporters, said that Hodgkinson had moved to Alexandria, Va., in March. He was living in a white van on a street near a YMCA and the field where the shooting took place, said Tim Slater, the special agent in charge of the FBI's field office in Washington.

He did not appear to be working, Slater said. State records show he had dissolved his home inspection and appraisal business, JTH Services Inc., in January.

Asked whether Hodgkinson could have targeted the baseball practice some time ago, Slater declined to speculate on his motive or whether the shooting was part of a vendetta against Republicans.

"We have no indication that he knew this was going on," Slater said of the baseball practice.

A former mayor of Alexandria, Bill Euille, said in a telephone interview that he had talked with Hodgkinson at the local YMCA several times in recent weeks, recognizing that the man appeared to be new in town, trying to find his way.

"Most of our conversation was really friendly. 'Where is a good place for breakfast? Where is a good place for lunch?'" Euille said. "Then it was, 'Hey I'm looking for a job, do you know anyone who's hiring?'"

Hodgkinson often seemed to be camped out with his laptop, with essentially nowhere to go, Euille said.

"He never talked politics or anything with me," he said. "He'd just be sitting there or be in the sauna." Gradually Hodgkinson started to get comfortable, Euille said, and about a week ago, started bringing cookies and doughnuts to guests and staff there.

"I think it was his way of trying to connect with people," Euille said.

On Monday, the YMCA staff told Euille that Hodgkinson had canceled his membership, he said. But the man was there Tuesday and Wednesday, Euille said. The former mayor heard about the shooting before he went to the YMCA, learning that it was on lockdown.

It was not known where Hodgkinson acquired the weapon allegedly used in the shooting.

In Belleville, Hodgkinson had purchased at least three guns, all from a local gun dealer, and had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, a source said. Among those three guns was an SKS assault rifle, the source said.

In March, a neighbor called the police to complain that Hodgkinson was firing shots on his property.

It was the most serious of about the half-dozen times that sheriff's deputies had been called to Hodgkinson's house over the past two decades, St. Clair County Sheriff Richard Watson told reporters outside Hodgkinson's house on Wednesday.

William Schaumleffel, who lives across a farm field from the house, made the call to police and said Hodgkinson was firing a rifle into trees and refusing to stop.

"He was target practicing out in the white pines behind his house," Schaumleffel said. "It was a high-powered jobby. It was loud."

Schaumleffel was in his own yard with his two grandchildren, ages 6 and 3, and was concerned about his neighbor firing a rifle across flat, open land.

"I yelled, 'Hey, stop shooting,'" he said. Schaumleffel said he then saw Hodgkinson when he stepped out from behind a shed, but the man did not stop shooting. That's when Schaumleffel called the sheriff's office.

Schaumleffel said he had lived near Hodgkinson for more than a decade but had never had contact with him. He also said that, before that incident, he had never heard or seen any gunfire around Hodgkinson's home.

The sheriff's office released response records from the incident. Officers told Hodgkinson to stop shooting but made no arrest.

The report noted that Hodgkinson had a proper gun permit. "Subject was advised to not discharge his weapon in the area," the report said. "Subject in the pine trees shooting and there are homes in the area."

It was not known if it was the same rifle used in Wednesday's shooting, though Watson said he doubted it. "It was an assault rifle they're describing (in Virginia) and the one from March was a deer rifle, for hunting, which is very different," he said.

That March run-in was not Hodgkinson's first gun-related incident.

In April 2006, he was arrested on "suspicion of battery, domestic battery, criminal damage of property and reckless discharge of a firearm" by the sheriff's office, according to a brief report at the time in the Belleville News-Democrat.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

And here's some more detail specifically about that violence incident:

In April 2006, police records show Hodgkinson went to a neighbor’s house looking for his daughter and “used bodily force to damage” a wooden door upstairs. Witnesses said Hodgkinson forced his way into the home looking for his teenage daughter and grabbed her by the hair when he found her upstairs, according to a police narrative on file with St. Clair County Sheriff’s Department.

His daughter escaped and got into the neighbor’s car, but Hodgkinson opened the door of the car, pulled out a pocket knife and cut off the seat belt she was wearing, records show. Hodgkinson’s wife joined him, struggling to pull out their daughter, as Hodgkinson punched the neighbor who was in the driver’s seat of the car in the face, witnesses told police.

Later, Joel Fernandez, the boyfriend of the woman who was punched, went to Hodgkinson’s home to confront him. He said Hodgkinson “walked outside with a shotgun and aimed it at Fernandez face,” a complaint states. Hodgkinson struck Fernandez on the side of his face with the wooden stock of the shotgun and fired off one round as Fernandez ran away.

Police arrested Hodgkinson and his wife and charged them with domestic battery and aggravated discharge of a firearm, according to a narrative obtained by The Washington Post. Police also recovered a 12-gauge shotgun. The county clerk’s online database shows the charges were later dismissed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... 57bb48f480
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And of course the Newt says the shooting is the fault of 'the left'....
That's complete BS, just as it is complete BS when you have some Liberal pundits showing up on TV trying to blame Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter, or The Tea Party, etc. when some right wing loony goes off the rails...

The blame in this case and any other belongs with the loony; not your favorite political target of choice...
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A lot can change in just a year, hmmm...?
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Lord Jim wrote:
While the evidence is mounting that this particular guy had a left-wing political motivation, there are plenty of political haters (and plenty of nut jobs) to go around on all sides of the political spectrum...
And most of them post here....
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:I have no doubt - and had no doubt then or earlier today - that the person who did the shooting knew perfectly well that it was a Republican game practice and was... er... hunting Republicans. He had no need to ask anyone.
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Cartoonizing death and mayhem only further desensitizes us to the horror all around. Two mass shootings today. One is unacceptable. Two is insanity that I cannot even comprehend. Of course, I still can't comprehend Sandy Hook and and these 26 innocents http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/16/rem ... -shooting/ and how that didn't galvanize the country. Or the attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords.

But by all means, let's point figures at liberals and make jokes about hunting Republicans. This liberal doesn't think it's a funny joke. I weep for my country.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... e3d77e4740

155 mass shootings so far this year.
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Guinevere wrote:155 mass shootings so far this year.
Because there aren't enough guns, and they aren't readily available enough, obvs.

Oh well, that's just one of those things, nothing can be done about it.

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