Do you want a solution to gun ownership?

[liberty]

Would you accept the proposition that only the militia could legally own guns and ammunition? Possession by anyone else would be a serious felony; even police officers would have to belong to the militia to possess weapons.
The civilian militia being anyone ( civilian ) willing to defend the country in time of emergency provided the individual has no criminal record and is a mentally competent adult citizen of the US with no serious mental or personality defects.

Don’t you think that restricting gun ownership to individual that have been determined to be trustworthy would reduce the misuse of guns?

Besides lower gun violence and providing a ready pool of short term draftees for the military what other outcome could my proposals eventually have on private gun ownership?

So far you've asked three different questions.  Not to mention that your qualifications are woefully inadequate — "anyone willing to defend the country ... provided the individual has no criminal record and is a mentally competent adult citizen" and "...has been determined to be trustworthy".  Just what would be required to have a disqualifying criminal record?  Murder?  Rape?  Drunk and disorderly?  Shoplifting?  Possession and use of marijuana?   Shit almighty, even at sixty-two years old my near-sighted ass would qualify to be a member of your 'militia', as would just about every random shooter and serial killer .  Even Donald Trump would probably be able to get over a bar that low.  Do you seriously want someone like him or me having your back?

And "short-term draftees"?  Seriously?  We all know from history — think Valley Forge and the Continental Army, or Germany's last-ditch effort to hold off the Allies with young boys and older men being given inadequate weapons and shoved into combat — just how dependable and effective a force made up of citizen-volunteers actually is.

Sorry, lib; this is just talk over your third (or fourth, or fifth) beer down at the "Tattooed Freeper" Bar and Grill and Trailer Park, and should be taken for exactly what it is worth .....



-"BB"-

Besides lower gun violence and providing a ready pool of short term draftees for the military what other outcome could my proposals eventually have on private gun ownership?

[Scooter]

Don’t you think that restricting gun ownership to individual that have been determined to be trustworthy would reduce the misuse of guns?

How are you going to select the single individual who is allowed to own a gun?

[Joe Guy]

It actually look like N0 - N + zero.

Am I the only one who sees that?

NO, you aren't. You're correct. It is N + 0 = N0.

liberty is a little too quick on the trigger.

[rubato]

Arguing by false dichotomy proves nothing and teaches nothing.


yrs,
rubato

[Jarlaxle]

Simple. The shooting sports pay all of the costs of guns in society via insurance. All gun owners are required to have insurance on all the guns they own. Insurance companies can decide who are better and worse risks and set rates accordingly. They can, as does car insurance, take into account age, gender, education, profession and whether the insured can demonstrate that they keep their guns in locked gun safes &c.


yrs,
rubato

Translation: you want gun ownership limited to tbe rich, thhe connected, and criminals.

News flash: most gun owners DO have insurance! (I do..)

[liberty]

Would you accept the proposition that only the militia could legally own guns and ammunition? Possession by anyone else would be a serious felony; even police officers would have to belong to the militia to possess weapons.
The civilian militia being anyone ( civilian ) willing to defend the country in time of emergency provided the individual has no criminal record and is a mentally competent adult citizen of the US with no serious mental or personality defects.

Don’t you think that restricting gun ownership to individual that have been determined to be trustworthy would reduce the misuse of guns?

Besides lower gun violence and providing a ready pool of short term draftees for the military what other outcome could my proposals eventually have on private gun ownership?

So far you've asked three different questions.  Not to mention that your qualifications are woefully inadequate — "anyone willing to defend the country ... provided the individual has no criminal record and is a mentally competent adult citizen" and "...has been determined to be trustworthy".  Just what would be required to have a disqualifying criminal record?  Murder?  Rape?  Drunk and disorderly?  Shoplifting?  Possession and use of marijuana?   Shit almighty, even at sixty-two years old my near-sighted ass would qualify to be a member of your 'militia', as would just about every random shooter and serial killer .  Even Donald Trump would probably be able to get over a bar that low.  Do you seriously want someone like him or me having your back?

And "short-term draftees"?  Seriously?  We all know from history — think Valley Forge and the Continental Army, or Germany's last-ditch effort to hold off the Allies with young boys and older men being given inadequate weapons and shoved into combat — just how dependable and effective a force made up of citizen-volunteers actually is.

Sorry, lib; this is just talk over your third (or fourth, or fifth) beer down at the "Tattooed Freeper" Bar and Grill and Trailer Park, and should be taken for exactly what it is worth .....



-"BB"-

Well, then what would you propose?





And, what is this bias that liberals have about trailer parks? I have known some good people that lived in trailers. Being poor does not make a person bad, bigoted or evil.

And FYI, I live in a brick house that I built myself with my own money. I have never made a mortgage payment; I have owned my house from day one. Also, I have not borrowed money to buy a new car in over thirty years. I pay cash.

[oldr_n_wsr]

I don't vote in polls but givent he question

Would you accept the proposition that only the militia could legally own guns and ammunition?

I would say NO.
Waht about the hunter or target shooter who may not "qualify" for the militia? What about thos who just doan't want to be part of any "militia".
I would stand up and defend this nation, I am just not a big supporter of the "militia's" as some kind of civilian "army".

[rubato]

Requiring insurance appears not to prevent poor and middle-class people from driving cars and is not a significant limit to buying a house.

the "make shit up" argument fails.


yrs,
rubato

[Bicycle Bill]

Requiring insurance appears not to prevent poor and middle-class people from driving cars and is not a significant limit to buying a house.

the "make shit up" argument fails.

yrs,
rubato

"Requiring insurance" is not the same as "having insurance" any more than requiring drivers to be licensed is the same as a driver actually being licensed.  Sure, they may get caught eventually, but for every uninsured motorist or unlicensed driver who is ticketed how many more are out there who are driving on lapsed insurance or an expired license?

So go ahead and require "insurance" to purchase and own a firearm; and then, after six months or a year, the gun owner lets the insurance lapse.  Who's going to follow up on each and every one of the over 300 million firearms in this country to make sure that their owners are still keeping up their coverage?  Nobody, that's who.

-"BB"-

[oldr_n_wsr]

And lets not forget the "extra fee" added to premiums of those law abiding gun owners to cover the un-insured gun owner.
we have that fee on car insurance here in ny

[Scooter]

If this doesn't sway men away from gun ownership...

At least five Americans accidentally shot off their penises since 2010

The Internet is abuzz this week with the unfortunate mishap of one security guard in Trinidad who accidentally shot his dick off with a .38 firearm. That sucks, but this isn’t the first time that a potential Darwin Award nominee robbed himself of manhood. At least five similar incidents have been reported in the United States within the last three years.

If these cases don’t sway macho man constitutionalists to support gun control, then I don’t know what.

1. September 2012: Michael Smeriglio, while cleaning his pistol

The 18-year old Floridian shot a bullet through his penis and left testicle while he was attempting to clean a gun he bought at a party the month prior.

2. July 2012: Tavares Colbert, while testing out a firearm

Colbert, 36, was charged with illegal firearms possession after he admitted to the cops that he had intentions to sell the gun to another man outside a 7-Eleven in Oklahoma. On the way to make the sale, Colbert tested the gun in the car and shot himself in the nads.

3. August 2011: Joshua Seto, walking into store with girlfriend

27-year old Seto was walking into a store with his girlfriend in Chandler, Arizona, when a pink pistol went off in his pants. Putz.

4. May 2010: Unidentified man, shopping at Lowe’s

A lone shopper blew away his testicles on a Sunday afternoon while walking the aisles at Lowe’s Home Improvement in Washington state. The gun was kept not-so-safely in his waistband.

5. March 2010: Unidentified teenager, walking into medical center

A 17-year old in Vallejo, California, was spotted holding his wounded crotch while walking into the emergency room. At the time of the report, the kid didn’t tell anyone what happened.

[BoSoxGal]

when a pink pistol went off in his pants

That phrase is just SO fucking funny!

I had to Google and was a bit shocked to see how many pink pistols are for sale out in the gun nut world.

[RayThom]

Obviously some guys have a hard time keeping this little ditty in proper order.

[Bicycle Bill]

when a pink pistol went off in his pants

That phrase is just SO fucking funny!

I had to Google and was a bit shocked to see how many pink pistols are for sale out in the gun nut world.

I was at the local Farm & Fleet store earlier today and noticed that Daisy — the BB gun people — have released a version of Ralphie's “official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time” with a pink stock and fore-grip.

Sorry, no compass or sundial in the stock nowadays.

-"BB"-

[liberty]

I don't vote in polls but givent he question

Would you accept the proposition that only the militia could legally own guns and ammunition?

I would say NO.

Waht about the hunter or target shooter who may not "qualify" for the militia? What about thos who just doan't want to be part of any "militia".

If they possessed weapons it would be a serious crime.


I would stand up and defend this nation, I am just not a big supporter of the "militia's" as some kind of civilian "army".

I have done my part for the nation's defense, but at this point in my life I am militarily worthless, hell it probably worse than that I would probably be an impediment to the mission. The US is not going to use a militia composed of old men. What they might do in an emergency is to draft the young militiamen into the regular army for short term service, like drive trucks in a case like what happened in Iraq.

You don’t like this one wait until I post the next proposal. I have lots of ideas; what I don’t have is lots time. I started with the most radical idea first maybe you will like the next one better

[Burning Petard]

25 children per week killed by guns

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/heal ... front&_r=0

No clear pattern, except to me it looks like increased stress in society increases undesired gun deaths (and probably every other cause of death)

But yes there are too many guns in the hands of the general population. For example, I purchased a .22 rimfire target pistol, single shot, bolt action years ago and have never taken it out of the factory box. A typical impulse purchase when I had too much money in my pocket.

snailgate

[RayThom]

... I purchased a .22 rimfire target pistol, single shot, bolt action years ago...
snailgate

With a scope, too? That would certainly be overkill. Regardless, I'm sure a gun nut and/or collector would give you what you paid for it, especially being in the original box.

[oldr_n_wsr]

You don’t like this one wait until I post the next proposal.

I don't mind the proposal, just not into joining any kind of militia.

The US is not going to use a militia composed of old men.

But I am still a pretty good shot. Sniper duty maybe?

I do prefer bows and arrows (and crossbows), but rifles and handguns have their purpose also.

And to those who shoot their balls off, they got what they deserved. No sympathy from me.
Plaxico Burress pretty much ended his football career when the gun he had in his sweatpants waistband went off while at a night club. Put a nice size hole in his thigh close to his "manhood".

1) Always treat a gun as if it's loaded.
2) Even if it's not loaded, go back to 1).

[Jarlaxle]

And lets not forget the "extra fee" added to premiums of those law abiding gun owners to cover the un-insured gun owner.
we have that fee on car insurance here in ny

Come on, it is obvious: rube WANTS a back-door gun ban, with guns limited to tbe rich, the connected, and criminals.

[Scooter]

I'd be happy enough with a law that charges a gun owner with murder if his/her gun is used by a child to kill another child.