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Damn shame these twisted fucks can't be charged with anything more serious...(or at least sterilized) :evil:
Chief to recommend charges against Florida teens who recorded drowning

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CNN)Five teenagers who taunted a drowning man while recording his death from afar may face criminal charges, a Florida police chief said Friday.

Cocoa Police Chief Michael Cantaloupe said Friday he will recommend the state attorney prosecute the teens under a statute that requires a person with knowledge of a death to notify a medical examiner.[I don't suppose one of the potential penalties for this offense is repeated waterboarding...that would really be the punishment that fits the crime...] The state attorney will decide whether to file the charges, which would be a misdemeanor under that statute.

The chief's statement was a shift.

Authorities previously said the teens wouldn't be charged because Florida does not have a law that obligates a citizen to render aid or call for help for anyone in distress.

On Friday, the office of State Attorney Phil Archer issued a statement, though not in response to the chief's comments about recommending charges.

"We were asked to make a preliminary review of the video regarding any potential charges for failure to provide aid," the state attorney's office said. "Unfortunately, there is currently no statute in Florida law that compels an individual to render, request or seek aid for a person in distress. We are, however, continuing to research whether any other statute may apply to the facts of this case."

Laughing captured on video

Public outrage has mounted since Jamel Dunn, 31, died July 9.

In the more than two-minute long video, the five teen boys -- who are between the ages of 14 and 16 -- can be heard laughing as the man struggles to stay afloat in a pond near his family's home, police said.

The teens can be heard warning the man that he was "going to die" and they were not going to help him. At one point, one of the teen boys can be heard laughing, saying "he dead."

Instead of calling for help, the teens recorded the incident on a cell phone, chuckling during the victim's final moments.


They posted video of the incident on YouTube and did not alert authorities.

Dunn's family initially filed a missing person's report on July 12, three days after he had already drowned. His body was recovered from the water on July 14.

The teens' names have not been released because they are juveniles who committed no crime, police say.

"At least one of the teens expressed no remorse while being interviewed by detectives," Cocoa Police Department spokeswoman Yvonne Martinez said.

Cantaloupe said the teenagers' parents were "very disturbed" and some of the teens did show remorse.

The teens admitted being in the area "smoking weed," police said.

But the nature of the incident has troubled even the most seasoned law enforcement officials.

"I've been doing this a long time, probably 20 years or more ... I was horrified. My jaw dropped," Martinez said.

Dunn's sister, Simone McIntosh, had hard words for the teens.

"Just why didn't you call for help?" she said Friday on HLN. "Even if you didn't physically go in and help him, why didn't you just make a phone call to get him help, someone who can help him? All it took is one call, one second, and a life could have been saved. He clearly screamed for help not once, not twice, but three times."

McIntosh says a friend has started a petition to change the law.

When somebody needs assistance, "You should be obligated to help or to get help for them," McIntosh said.
Cantaloupe, the police chief, said he hopes Dunn's death will lead to new legislation.

"As law enforcement officers, we are sworn to uphold and enforce the laws," he said. "Unfortunately, there are no laws in Florida that apply to this scenario. Perhaps this case may be what's needed to pass new laws."

Why was he in the water?

Police say that on the morning he drowned, Dunn had gotten into a "verbal altercation" with his mother and "possibly his fiancee," during which he told his fiancee to "leave the house," Martinez said.

"(His fiancee) left the home at about 12:40 p.m. Based on the video, he went into the water at about 12:50 p.m. and then drowned. He was in the water struggling for one or two minutes for the video portion," Martinez told CNN.

The family doesn't know why Dunn entered the water, McIntosh told HLN

"That's unanswered for all of us," she said.

Given that Dunn's sister has encouraged the public to share the video, CNN has chosen to publish a small portion of the incident, as well as the audio of the teens' comments in full.

"I feel like something should be done to (the teens)," Dunn's sister said in a Facebook Live video she posted on Thursday. "I don't care if it's probation or something, it just needs to be an eye-opener. A lesson learned."

"If they can sit there and watch somebody die in front of their eyes, imagine what they're going to do when they get older. Where's the morals?"[very good questions]she asked.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/florid ... index.html

Here's the video. (I'm assuming that because the victim's family have said they want people to see what happened, it hasn't been taken down)

I want to give a warning before anyone watches it. Be prepared to be VERY disgusted and infuriated. It's really not easy to take.

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The family doesn't know why Dunn entered the water, McIntosh told HLN

"That's unanswered for all of us," she said.
Really? I say bullshit! It appears to be a successful suicide to me, and one the Dunn family may have been able to address way before it happened. And now they conveniently assign blame to someone else because that's always the easiest way out under these circumstances.

Regardless, the callousness of the conversation and disregard to human life is absolutely disgusting. "Something" could have been done other than just watch.

I guess they'll fall back on the stereotypical excuse, "black people can't swim."
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A lot of the stories I looked at, like this one:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/bre ... story.html

refer to Dunn as "disabled" but I can't find one that says what that "disability" was...(Physically disabled? Mentally disabled? Emotionally disabled? Are they all just trying to be so politically correct about the "disabled" that they won't tell the public what that means in this case? Poor journalism.)

My thinking was that he may have been so distraught from the argument with his fiancee, that could have been the reason he walked out into the water. That wouldn't necessarily mean he was suicidal, he could have just been kind of "out of it" ...

But even if he had suicide on his mind as something he might possibly want to do, he obviously changed his mind, or he wouldn't have been screaming for help...

And no matter what the reason for why he was out in the water, that would in no way excuse or mitigate the vile behavior of the dirtbags...

A person who was not a strong swimmer could be excused for not trying to swim out to render assistance, given how far out the guy appears to be in the water. (Assuming the appearance is correct; video taken from a shoreline can sometimes be very misleading in terms of giving an accurate picture of distances)

But what is absolutely NOT excusable, is the failure of the dirtbags to IMMEDIATELY call 911 and report what was going on.

Instead they were so callously disconnected and disassociated from the reality of what they seeing they were acting like stoners watching a "reality" TV show rather than people who were being confronted with actual reality...
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Just another page written into the annals of the Inhuman Condition. (The real one, not Clive Barker's fictionalized version.)

Sadly, I don't feel it will be getting better any time soon. Way too much derision within our now multifaceted socio-political constructs. Maybe we are not doomed, but there's no going back to Mayberry.
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I hope they all drown.
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Long standing principle in American law that one is not required to give aid to another. This prevents, for example, an ignorant but helpful bystander from giving Chiropractic adjustments to victims of a violent automobile accident, just because the bystander once saw something like that on a you tube presentation once a few years ago.

How did these 'sick dirtbags' acquire the medical and legal knowledge to know the person was dead?

The law Sir, is an ass. As far as I can tell, being a sick dirtbag is not a violation of criminal statutes.

We have this particular group of critters, demonstrating that behavior can be an abomination and not criminal. Our POTUS daily demonstrates the same truism.

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Lord Jim, do you recall this incident in Alameda in 2011?

Similar circumstances but in my mind far worse.

ALAMEDA, Calif. --

Alameda police and firefighters stood by and watched as a man drowned off Crown Beach in Alameda on Monday. Authorities are now trying to explain why they had no choice but to stand on the shoreline.

Alameda police received a call shortly before noon on Monday from a woman saying her son wanted to kill himself. Raymond Zack, 53, then walked out into the water off Crown Beach.

"I thought it was kind of weird that they weren't going out to bring the guy in, you know, he was out there, his head was above water, he was looking at everybody, there was plenty of time for them to react," witness Perry Smith said.

For more than an hour, Zack stood up to his neck in the frigid surf off of Crown Beach in Alameda.

"Well, we expected to see at some point that there would be a concern for him and somebody would go out there and pull him in," witness Gary Barlow said.

About 75 beachgoers could not understand why Alameda police officers and firefighters stood idly by and watched the man slowly succumb to the 60 degree water.

"We're not trained to go into the water, obviously the type of gear that we have on, we don't have the type of equipment that you would use to go into the water," Alameda Police Lt. Joe McNiff said.

The man was a 150 yards out; it was too shallow for a Coast Guard boat and its helicopter was on another call. It arrived too late.

"It's horrible," Barlow said. "How can we let that happen? How can our emergency personnel allow that to happen? I don't get it, I don't understand it."

" Well, if I was off duty I would know what I would do, but I think you're asking me my on-duty response and I would have to stay within our policies and procedures because that's what's required by our department to do,"

Alameda Fire Div. Chief Ricci Zombeck said when asked by ABC7 if he would enter the water to save a drowning child.

Alameda firefighters could not even go into the water to get the body, so they waited until a woman in her 20s volunteered to bring the body back to the beach.

"The frustration is certainly understandable and I think the sensibility would be probably that we're going to evaluate our response protocols," Zombeck said.

Alameda fire officials say they are going to have a serious discussion about why Alameda, as an island city, does not have the ability to save people in danger in the water.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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What the fuck?!?! :evil:
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Let the whole group off with $1 fines as long as they agree to irreversible sterilization.
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Do you know that a spare tire will support a person in the water? Even an under inflated donut spare tire will work.
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I didn't know that -- good info to have handy.
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MGMcAnick wrote:Do you know that a spare tire will support a person in the water? Even an under inflated donut spare tire will work.

Does it matter what the wheel is made of? Steel vs aluminum?

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Since an inflated tire inner tube will easily keep a 200+ pound person afloat, I doubt the composition of the wheel makes a difference unless it and the tire together are well over that weight.

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'flotation' is based on the mass of the water displaced. The "Normal Innertube" that supports a 200# person is not confined by a tire and tube; the air in that spare is compressed and provides a very different degree of support.

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Well given a tire is usually planar on its larger surfaces (so the geometry will not play a big part in displacement as it does, say, with a ship), the displacement will be based on the density of the tire/wheel or tire/person. The volume of the tube/person and tire/wheel are roughly similar (volume is pi r squared h, assuming they are cylindrical, which is close enough for this calculation), so if a 200 lb person can lay across a tube and be supported, a tire and wheel weighing less than that should also float. It is true that the tire will have a greater mass of air because it is compressed, but I think the effect of this would be negligible--it will float so long as its specific gravity (mass/volume as compared with water's SG of 1) is less than one.

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MGMcAnick wrote:Do you know that a spare tire will support a person in the water?
Some people will be glad to have this information. 8-)

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Float tubes are MUCH larger than most tires...they are truck or heavy equipment tubes.
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There are the big ones, but I recall using standard car tire (usually 14 inch wheels) inner tubes when I was a kid, and one of my very heavy uncles would routinely use them for flotation.

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I remember from one lifesaving course I took once - take a standard one gallon milk or water container and make it about 1/4 full with water, cap it, and throw it to the person in the water. Adding a little water gives it enough weight to be able to throw it some distance and the resulting 5 pounds or so of buoyancy is enough to help most people to keep the head above water.

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Big RR wrote:There are the big ones, but I recall using standard car tire (usually 14 inch wheels) inner tubes when I was a kid, and one of my very heavy uncles would routinely use them for flotation.
Most common I recall are the old 9.00-20 truck tires.
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