Bring back hanging

Gob · Post by **Gob** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:10 pm

A British model was drugged and kidnapped in Milan to be sold in an online auction, say Italian police.

The woman, 20, had arrived in the city to take part in a photo shoot arranged through her agent, but was abducted and held captive for six days.

Polish national Lukasz Herba, 30, who lives in the UK, has been arrested on kidnapping charges, police said.

The Foreign Office said it was providing consular support to a British woman.

The model, who has not been named, arrived in Milan on 10 July.

She arrived at an apartment the following day for the shoot, where she was attacked by two men, said police.

Police said the woman was drugged, handcuffed and loaded into a bag and put into the boot of car which was driven to an isolated house in Borgial, northwest of Turin.

Italian prosecutor Paolo Storari said: "The victim was doped with ketamine - then she was locked in a bag and carried for hours in a car.

"Think what could would have happened if she suffered from asthma."

The woman was kept handcuffed to a wooden chest of drawers in the bedroom for six days until she was released and taken to the British consulate in Milan, according to police.

Investigators said they discovered the kidnapper had organised several online auctions for the sale of abducted girls, which included a description and an opening price.

Bicycle Bill · Post by **Bicycle Bill** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:27 am

Bring back hanging indeed. Preferably the short drop for scum like this.

So it maybe ain't humane and the guest of dishonor at the necktie party suffers a bit. So fuckin' what.

-"BB"-

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:29 am

Sounds like a job for a man with "a special set of skills"

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:05 am

That's terrible.

What did she look like?

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:10 pm

The model, who has not been named

Burning Petard · Post by **Burning Petard** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:48 pm

Hanging takes special skill and equipment. Nothing is ever as simple as it looks on tv. Perhaps, if killing by the state is required, we should try the firing squad (I think is is still legal in Utah). Everybody knows guns in America are plentiful; ammo is cheap.

snailgate

Gob · Post by **Gob** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:09 am

RayThom wrote:That's terrible.

What did she look like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 79861.html

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:09 am

I never heard of Chloe Ayling. She's easy on the eyes but her lips are a tad puffy. Nonetheless, had the perps been able to sell her I'm sure she would have fetched a pretty penny.

In the aftermath of this ordeal she'll now become more famous than she could ever imagine. I hope it wasn't some kind of sick stunt to gain notoriety.

As for the bad guys, they are "caute ferture."

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:26 pm

RayThom wrote:... In the aftermath of this ordeal she'll now become more famous than she could ever imagine. I hope it wasn't some kind of sick stunt to gain notoriety...

http://www.newser.com/story/246912/mode ... op_webmail

rubato · Post by **rubato** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:01 pm

Burning Petard wrote:Hanging takes special skill and equipment. Nothing is ever as simple as it looks on tv. Perhaps, if killing by the state is required, we should try the firing squad (I think is is still legal in Utah). Everybody knows guns in America are plentiful; ammo is cheap.

snailgate

True. If they don't fall far enough they strangle to death slowly and they're kicking and gurgling and swinging around. If they fall too far the head gets pulled off and a lot of blood gets sprayed around. I think there is a chart in here:

My dad bought a copy at a used book and record auction back in the 1960s. He put in a 1$ bid just out of curiosity.

yrs,
rubato

Gob · Post by **Gob** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:39 pm

rubato wrote:

My dad bought a copy at a used book and record auction back in the 1960s. He put in a 1$ bid just out of curiosity.

yrs,
rubato

We ALL know what he was thinking.....

Joe Guy · Post by **Joe Guy** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:29 am

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:49 am

Like, wow, daddy-o.

Jarlaxle · Post by **Jarlaxle** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:09 am

Burning Petard wrote:Hanging takes special skill and equipment. Nothing is ever as simple as it looks on tv. Perhaps, if killing by the state is required, we should try the firing squad (I think is is still legal in Utah). Everybody knows guns in America are plentiful; ammo is cheap.

snailgate

No, hanging takes a rope, a stepladder, and a tree.

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:08 pm

No, that's strangulation using a rope. A real hanging uses a combination of parameters (weight of the person, the drop, the type and properties of the rope) to achieve a broken neck at the outset, saving unnecessary pain and suffering. Otherwise you might as well tie them to a chair and put a plastic bag over their head.

Bicycle Bill · Post by **Bicycle Bill** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:51 pm

Big RR wrote:No, that's strangulation using a rope.

Ever seen any videos of how they hang people in the Middle East? Rope around the neck, and then hoist 'em into the air with a crane; or stand 'em on top of a bus or the bed of a flat-bed truck and then drive the thing out from under 'em.

Big RR wrote:A real hanging uses a combination of parameters (weight of the person, the drop, the type and properties of the rope) to achieve a broken neck at the outset, saving unnecessary pain and suffering.

Why are we worrying about the 'pain and suffering' of a condemned man, and who gets to decide how much pain and suffering is 'unnecessary'?

Big RR wrote:Otherwise you might as well tie them to a chair and put a plastic bag over their head.

Still sounds good enough to me. Either way it will get the job done.

-"BB"-

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:32 pm

Well Bill, I am not a supporter of capital punishment at all, but if we are to permit the government to put people to death, I would think we have a moral obligation (not to mention a constitutional one) to do it as quickly and painlessly as possible. So I reject trying to copy how the mobs or governments in the middle east hang people. And I likewise reject execution methods that do not try to minimize the pain and suffering of the condemned.

As for how much pain and suffering is unnecessary, I think it would be clear that if we can accomplish hanging without having a person slowly suffocating at the end of a rope we should do so--there is nothing to be gained by making the condemned person suffer more, after all, we will still "get the job done".

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:38 pm

Jarlaxle · Post by **Jarlaxle** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:06 pm

Big RR wrote:No, that's strangulation using a rope. A real hanging uses a combination of parameters (weight of the person, the drop, the type and properties of the rope) to achieve a broken neck at the outset, saving unnecessary pain and suffering. Otherwise you might as well tie them to a chair and put a plastic bag over their head.

A guillotine is much simpler to use.

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:16 pm

I would think you're probably right, and if kept in good condition would be pretty painless and foolproof. As I recall, France used the guillotine through the early 1960s--although it's a bit messy, nothing I've read makes me think it wuld be a worse method of execution than the others currently in use.

personally, I would think a firing squad would be the best way to execute, so long as we could rig up some sort of a way to not have to rely on a marksman (possibly a premounted and aimed rifle which fires automatically and always through the condemned person's heart. Not that a markman wouldn't suffice, but it would be preferable not to have human effort as a drawback.

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