Right, Scooter. Scrape R.E. Lee's name off of "Washington and Lee University" in Lexington VA, too, and burn down the Custis-Lee Mansion at Arlington National Cemetery while you're at it.Scooter wrote:If there was any doubt that all Confederate monuments should be razed to the ground, what happened here should put them to rest. These are the sorts of scum that worship at these shrines to racism and slavery (and always have).
http://nypost.com/2017/08/13/rally-murd ... ith-nazis/Rally murder suspect is an Army dropout ‘infatuated with Nazis’
The man charged with plowing his car into a group of protesters during a white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., was “very infatuated with Nazis” — and once in the US Army, according to his former high-school teacher and military records.
Derek Weimer, who taught history to suspected killer James Alex Fields Jr. at Randall K. Cooper High School in Union, Ky., told WCPO-TV that Fields had “radical ideas on race.”
Weimer said Fields always wanted to join the Army. Military records show that Fields entered the Army on Aug. 18, 2015 — with his mother writing on Facebook about him beginning boot camp — then dropped out Dec. 11, the New York Times reported. It’s unclear why he left.
But Weimer said it was because of mental-health issues.
“It was because of a history of anti-psychotic medication that was prescribed,” Weimer said.
“And when you bring that into the picture, and you bring the views … of Nazism and white supremacy — and who knows what he was experiencing once he left this area and went up north in Ohio — like who he was hanging around with and stuff, you start to see how it is like this perfect storm. It comes together, and you get an incident like this.”
A now-deleted Facebook page believed to have belonged to Fields included several photos reflecting his white supremacist views.
One was an image of Adolf Hitler as a baby and another showed “Pepe the Frog,” an anthropomorphic frog character that has been used as an alt-right symbol.
Still another shows Syrian President Bashar al-Assad — for whom some alt-right activists have recently expressed support — with the word “undefeated” in capital letters.
This, Mr. President, is why your remarks thus far are divisive, disgusting and downright exploitative - trying to stay pals with fascist bully boys.Less than a half-hour after Trump’s live remarks, the Daily Stormer had declared the president’s words as a signal of tacit support for their side:
Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.
He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate … on both sides!
So he implied the antifa are haters.
There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.
He said he loves us all.
The neo-Nazi live blog also noted that Trump had refused to respond when a reporter asked about white nationalists who supported him.
“No condemnation at all,” the Daily Stormer wrote. “When asked to condemn, [Trump] just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.” As reported in Washington Post
More:And maybe that is what we have, in fact, become. For Donald Trump’s refusal to condemn the murderous white supremacists in Charlottesville finally confirms what has become increasingly obvious: The current president of the United States isn’t a real American.
Real Americans understand that our nation is built around values, not the “blood and soil” of the marchers’ chants; what makes you an American is your attempt to live up to those values, not the place or race your ancestors came from. And when we fall short in our effort to live up to our ideals, as we all too often do, at least we realize and acknowledge our failure.
Finally, real Americans who manage to achieve high office realize that they are servants of the people, meant to use their position for the public good. In practice, human nature being what it is, many officials have in fact taken financial advantage of their office. But we’ve always understood that this was wrong — and presidents, in particular, are supposed to be above such things. Now we have a leader who is transparently exploiting his office for personal enrichment, in ways that all too obviously amount in practice to influence-buying by domestic malefactors and foreign governments alike.
In short, these days we have a president who is really, truly, deeply un-American, someone who doesn’t share the values and ideals that made this country special.
John Lewis? Elizabeth Warren? Bernie Sanders?"The Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists are repulsive and evil, and all of us have a moral obligation to speak out against the lies, bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred that they propagate. Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism,"
That was of course Ivanka Trump, not Daddy Don..."There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis," Trump tweeted.
Have to disagree with you there--that is the essence of free speech IMHO, as is anti-skinhead rhetoric or anything else. Assault and murder clearly are not free speech, nor is an incitement to immediate violence (nor shouting fir in a crowded theater for that matter); but saying unpopular things, however repugnant, is the essence of free speech, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I particularly wouldn't have the government making the call as to what sort of political speech is acceptable and what is not. Accept that and you'll soon lose any semblance of democracy. Which is why, IMHO, the ACLU weighed in on the sides of the white supremacists in holding the rally in the first place.that free speech includes anti-Semitic and racist language
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... iend-trumpDuring a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va. on Saturday, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke said the event is in line with President Trump’s “promises.”
“This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said. “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained yesterday, “These groups seem to believe they have a friend in Donald Trump in the White House.”
Indeed, after the president delivered remarks that failed to denounce the bigots specifically, a neo-Nazi publication celebrated, perceiving Trump’s comments as implicit support. “No condemnation at all,” it said. “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”
To be sure, it’s tempting not to give a damn what the lunatic fringe has to say, but when white supremacists look at a sitting president as a kindred spirit, it’s all the more incumbent on the White House to do something about it.
In other words, when white supremacists see Trump as a source of inspiration, Trump’s responsibility to condemn these supporters becomes more acute.
As former Ambassador Michael McFaul put it over the weekend in a message to the president, “If white supremacists are praising your statement … maybe you should try again.”[Ya think?]
Popper is best known as a philosopher of science and he pushed the idea that the potential for falsification is the discriminator between science and non-science. I think he here expressed very clearly the limits of tolerance and why therefore freedom of speech is not an absolute. Growing up as he did in 1930s Austria I rather think that he had some real world understanding of the issues. We all know intellectually that you are not free to yell 'Fire!" in a crowded theatre and that you are not free to come, uninvited, into my living room and make a speech. Why not? Because the consequences of that speech run headlong into other freedoms: my right to live and not be crushed by panicking theatre-goers, or my right to enjoy the cricket on my TV without having to listen to your views on baseball, Bartok or the bimetallic problem. Freedom of speech has its limits: and I would not have marched with the ACLU in Skokie.Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right even to suppress them, for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to anything as deceptive as rational argument, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, exactly as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping; or as we should consider incitement to the revival of the slave trade.
For Big RR and redundant "agrees":Perhaps he believes (?) that free speech includes anti-Semitic and racist language, assaulting people with tiki-torches and responding to counter-protest by vehicular homicide.
