Charlottesville

[Lord Jim]

they will continue along with his insanity and NOT move towards impeachment. It's a huge problem and incredibly discouraging - not sure why you can't seem to see that.

Now just a cotton pickin' minute...

While I personally think there's already enough in the public record to begin an impeachment inquiry, there hasn't exactly been a stampede on the Democratic side in Congress to do that either...

I believe that to date only two left-wing gadfly Demo members of the House have come out for it, Maxine Waters and Al Green...(no, not that Al Green)

In fact Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly publicly cautioned against advocating for Impeachment at this point...

You can hardly expect the members of a President's political party to be further out in front on impeachment than the opposition party is...

But while we're on the topic of political courage; I believe this makes Bob Corker the most prominent member of either party to publicly question Trump's stability:

Corker: Trump hasn't demonstrated the stability or competence to be successful

(CNN)Sen. Bob Corker slammed President Donald Trump's handling of the racially motivated protests in
Charlottesville, Virginia, charging that the President "has not demonstrated he understands the character of this nation."

The Tennessee Republican told reporters in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on Thursday that he thinks there must be "radical changes" within the White House.

"The President has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to be successful," Corker said, according to a video posted by local news website Nooga.com.

"He has not demonstrated that he understands what has made this nation great and what it is today, and he's got to demonstrate the characteristics of a president who understands that," Corker added.

Corker is the latest Republican senator to criticize Trump's handling of the Charlottesville protests. Trump attacked two other Republican senators — Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona — on Twitter on Thursday morning over their criticisms of him.

Corker has maintained a collegial relationship with Trump and his administration, and he has spoken regularly with both the President and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

At the same time, he spearheaded the Russia sanctions legislation Trump reluctantly signed into law earlier this month, and in May, he said the White House was in a "downward spiral."

Corker on Thursday declined to detail what he meant by "radical changes" and said he did not want to discuss specific officials in the White House.

"There just needs to be a different approach," he said.

But he took aim at Trump for his Tuesday comments that played to the extremist wing of his political base and sparked condemnation from Republican lawmakers as well as business leaders and others.

"Helping inspire divisions because it generates support from your political base is not a formula for causing our nation to advance, our nation to overcome the many issues we have to deal with right now," Corker said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/ ... index.html

[Lord Jim]

Since his statement on Monday, in his tweets regarding the terrorist attack in Charlottesville, Trump has found time to tweet attacking the press for criticizing his Saturday response, to attack the members of his now defunct business advisory councils, to attack multiple GOP members of Congress for criticizing him, to defend statues, and to defend his mondo-bizarro Tuesday press conference performance...

What he has not found any time to do, is to tweet the statement he made on Monday (after his commercial for what a great job he's supposedly doing with the economy) specifically condemning white supremacists, the KKK and neo-Nazis...(which of course he took back on Tuesday)...

I wonder why that is...

[BoSoxGal]

[Sue U]

So BSG, are you going to the counter-demonstration? What does your sign say?

[BoSoxGal]

I've had a migraine the past couple days, but so long as my head is ok tomorrow, I do think I'll go. I'm planning to wear my Love Trumps Hate t-shirt, and still mulling the sign, which I'll make with my niece tomorrow night.

'Sorry about your micro penis' has been on my mind, but since the free speech rally is being put on by a group called Proud Boys, I was also thinking maybe 'Proud MicroPenis Boys' or something along those lines.

I'm admittedly not terribly creative in this area, so I welcome any other ideas.


PS, I've been meaning to apologize to you for being a dick over that Kellyanne thing - sometimes when I'm having a really bad pain day I don't behave as I would like to. Mea culpa!

[rubato]

Most Republicans Approve of Trump’s Charlottesville Responses, New Poll Shows

And a new CBS poll released Thursday morning showed a large majority of GOP members even back the president’s response to and handling of the Charlottesville, Virginia, protest, which resulted in the death of one woman and reignited racial tensions throughout the country.

The poll showed 67 percent of Republicans approved of Trump’s response, compared with 82 percent of Democrats disapproving and 55 percent of respondents overall claiming disapproval. Thirty-four percent overall approved, but 53 percent of those who identified as independent disapproved.

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Going further, 68 percent of Republicans believed Trump’s blame of “many sides” being responsible for the violence that engulfed the college town over the planned teardown of a statue honoring Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Fifty-five percent overall claimed Trump was inaccurate.

And more than half of Republicans polled, 56 percent, thought Trump was having no effect on race relations around the country, while 70 percent of Democrats said Trump’s actions were creating more division. Overall, Americans were somewhat split with 44 percent saying Trump was causing division and 39 percent in the no-effect category.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-republica ... lle-651889


They've been fed horseshit for so long they have developed a taste for it.


yrs,
rubato

[Guinevere]

they will continue along with his insanity and NOT move towards impeachment. It's a huge problem and incredibly discouraging - not sure why you can't seem to see that.

Now just a cotton pickin' minute...

While I personally think there's already enough in the public record to begin an impeachment inquiry, there hasn't exactly been a stampede on the Democratic side in Congress to do that either...

I believe that to date only two left-wing gadfly Demo members of the House have come out for it, Maxine Waters and Al Green...(no, not that Al Green)

In fact Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly publicly cautioned against advocating for Impeachment at this point...

You can hardly expect the members of a President's political party to be further out in front on impeachment than the opposition party is...

But while we're on the topic of political courage; I believe this makes Bob Corker the most prominent member of either party to publicly question Trump's stability:

Corker: Trump hasn't demonstrated the stability or competence to be successful

(CNN)Sen. Bob Corker slammed President Donald Trump's handling of the racially motivated protests in
Charlottesville, Virginia, charging that the President "has not demonstrated he understands the character of this nation."

The Tennessee Republican told reporters in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on Thursday that he thinks there must be "radical changes" within the White House.

"The President has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to be successful," Corker said, according to a video posted by local news website Nooga.com.

"He has not demonstrated that he understands what has made this nation great and what it is today, and he's got to demonstrate the characteristics of a president who understands that," Corker added.

Corker is the latest Republican senator to criticize Trump's handling of the Charlottesville protests. Trump attacked two other Republican senators — Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona — on Twitter on Thursday morning over their criticisms of him.

Corker has maintained a collegial relationship with Trump and his administration, and he has spoken regularly with both the President and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

At the same time, he spearheaded the Russia sanctions legislation Trump reluctantly signed into law earlier this month, and in May, he said the White House was in a "downward spiral."

Corker on Thursday declined to detail what he meant by "radical changes" and said he did not want to discuss specific officials in the White House.

"There just needs to be a different approach," he said.

But he took aim at Trump for his Tuesday comments that played to the extremist wing of his political base and sparked condemnation from Republican lawmakers as well as business leaders and others.

"Helping inspire divisions because it generates support from your political base is not a formula for causing our nation to advance, our nation to overcome the many issues we have to deal with right now," Corker said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/ ... index.html

Nope. Read it and cheer

And I'm positive Al Green has called for impeachment previously. Also note many Dems have pushed hard for the Russia investigation and the Special Counsel -- all necessary steps to get Congress to impeachment.

[RayThom]

[Crackpot]

Guin. Jim did mention Greene in the post you quoted

[Lord Jim]

Dems have pushed hard for the Russia investigation and the Special Counsel --

And of course if Republicans like Richard Burr and Chuck Grassley didn't want those investigations they wouldn't be happening, and it was a Republican Deputy AG who actually appointed a Special Counsel (and selected one who would do an honest and thorough job)

And of course Republicans also voted overwhelmingly to remove Trump's authority to unilaterally lift sanctions on Russia, and Republicans have crafted legislation to prevent Mueller from being fired, and Republicans have adopted procedures to prevent Trump from making recess appointments...

ETA:

I am quite confident that there are a substantial number of Republicans on The Hill (a number that is probably growing larger by the day) that are fervently hoping that these investigations will bring forth sufficient evidence of impeachable wrong-doing to create the public support required to remove Trump...

Realistically, support for removing Trump is going to have to get up above 60% before it becomes a politically do-able thing, no matter who controls Congress...

[Scooter]

A few years old, but still worth emulating:

Neo-Nazis Slowly Realize This Small Town Totally Punked Them

In preparation for an upcoming neo-Nazi march in the small Bavarian town of Wunsiedel, local residents decided to fight back in a hilariously perfect way: by sponsoring each of the 250 fascist participants. According to Heeb Magazine, "For every metre they walked, €10 went to a programme called EXIT Deutschland, which helps people escape extremist groups."

The anti-semitic walkers didn't figure out the town's scheme until they had already started their march, and by that time, it was too late to turn back. The end result? The neo-Nazis raised more than $12,000 to fund programs to put an end to neo-Nazis.

[Crackpot]

Don't know how/if this will work

But Arnie has a few words to say:

https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1475398805828907/

[BoSoxGal]

I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

Mitt Romney

[BoSoxGal]

This is my Congressman now I've moved home; I think it's quite possible I might live to see him as our President, too.




Check out his YouTube channel; he's a very fine person - for real.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgfHla ... 2V_YlNIqrA

[Bicycle Bill]

Walt Disney — another guy who built his empire by using alternate facts to tell people stories they wanted to hear and delving deeply into fantasy and make-believe.

-"BB"-

[Lord Jim]

Realistically, support for removing Trump is going to have to get up above 60% before it becomes a politically do-able thing, no matter who controls Congress...

And frankly, that's really as it should be...

If you're going to use the mechanisms of the Constitution to un-do the results of an election, there should be a broad popular consensus that it is necessary, and the right thing to do...

(Not just meeting the standards of people like me who became convinced he should be impeached when he admitted to attempting to obstruct justice on national television...)

But I have a very strong belief that we will get there...

Probably sooner rather than later...

I would never have thought that we would have a serious Special Counsel on the job just four months into this vile wackadoodle's presidency...

I really am optimistic that Trump's days as President are numbered...

And that the numbers are relatively short... I don't believe the country is going to have to suffer through another three and a half years of this....

[Scooter]

Was reading a Newsweek article (i'll link to it if I remember where I found it) talking about how Trump has already seriously alienated 12 Republican senators, and that's only six less than would be necessary to convict him.

Now, whether all of them would be sufficiently pissed to vote to convict him, I don't know, but it goes to show that even at this stage, the votes are potentially there.

ETA - now that I read this back I realize their count is off, 52 Republican senators less 12 is 40, requiring another SEVEN to get down to 33, the magic number.

[ex-khobar Andy]

This is my Congressman now I've moved home; I think it's quite possible I might live to see him as our President, too.




Check out his YouTube channel; he's a very fine person - for real.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgfHla ... 2V_YlNIqrA

I had no idea who he is and your post gave no clue. I was reminded for some reason of the RFK quote (which he lifted; or at least modified) - I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? - and I see that this is Bobby's grandson.

[Jarlaxle]

I've had a migraine the past couple days, but so long as my head is ok tomorrow, I do think I'll go. I'm planning to wear my Love Trumps Hate t-shirt, and still mulling the sign, which I'll make with my niece tomorrow night.

'Sorry about your micro penis' has been on my mind, but since the free speech rally is being put on by a group called Proud Boys, I was also thinking maybe 'Proud MicroPenis Boys' or something along those lines.

I'm admittedly not terribly creative in this area, so I welcome any other ideas.


PS, I've been meaning to apologize to you for being a dick over that Kellyanne thing - sometimes when I'm having a really bad pain day I don't behave as I would like to. Mea culpa!

"Though I find your message repulsive, I support your right to say it."

[rubato]

Scooter: great story about Wunsiedel. Creative and uses humor against the humorless.


The Arnold bit was great. He was so much more like a Democrat than a Republican that the state Republican party crowed that their greatest achievement one year was defeating his legislative agenda.


The the national GOP grows a set and openly breaks with Trump we will get rid of him.

yrs,
rubato