Like getting blood from...

[Gob]

a nurse..

Any of my American chums fancy moving to a civilised country? I'm happy to help.

[Econoline]

Just posted that here.

[Gob]

Your post is lost in the general Trump malaise which affects this board, let's keep this one a separate issue.

[RayThom]

Your post is lost in the general Trump malaise which affects this board, let's keep this one a separate issue.

Agreed. You can read what I posted in that other thread.

[Burning Petard]

Salt Lake City, home of cops who are carefully trained to follow orders, even if contrary to state and federal law and common human decency. I have no explanation for this. This is an order of fascism beyond anything I, as an old white guy, ever thought could happen in the home of the Mormon Church.

snailgate.

[Econoline]

Okay.

And now it's OK to rough up SUSPECTS NURSES??!!!?

(Oh, well...at least she didn't have to worry about being shot, since they "only shoot black people.")

Yeah, let's give these guys some more military weapons.

• Video shows Utah nurse screaming, being handcuffed after refusing to take blood from unconscious victim
  
  A nurse says she was assaulted and illegally arrested by a Salt Lake City police detective for following a hospital policy that does not allow blood draws from unconscious patients.
  
  Footage from University Hospital and officer body cameras shows Detective Jeff Payne and nurse Alex Wubbels in a standoff over whether the policeman should be allowed to get a blood sample from a patient who had been injured in a July 26 collision in northern Utah that left another driver dead.
  
  
  Wubbels says blood cannot be taken from an unconscious patient unless the patient is under arrest, unless there is a warrant allowing the draw or unless the patient consents. The detective acknowledges in the footage that none of those requirements is in place, but he insists that he has the authority to obtain the draw, according to the footage.
  
  At one point, Payne threatens to take Wubbels to jail if he doesn’t get the sample, and he accuses her of interfering with a criminal case.
  
  “I either go away with blood in vials or body in tow,” Payne says.
  
  After Wubbels consults with several hospital officials and repeats the policy, Payne tells her she is under arrest and grabs her, pulling her arms behind her back and handcuffing her. The footage shows the detective dragging Wubbels out of the hospital and putting her inside a patrol car as she screams, “Help! Help! Somebody help me! Stop! Stop! I did nothing wrong!”
  
  A University of Utah police officer and other officers, who provide security for the hospital, were present at time of the arrest and did not intervene.
  
  As he stands in the hospital parking lot after the arrest, Payne says to another officer that he wonders how this event will affect an off-duty job transporting patients for an ambulance company.
  
  “I’ll bring them all the transients and take good patients elsewhere,” Payne says.
  
  Parts of the footage were shown Thursday at a news conference at the office of Karra Porter, a Salt Lake City attorney representing Wubbels.
  
  Salt Lake police Sgt. Brandon Shearer said the department started an internal investigation, which is ongoing, in response to the incident.
  
  Payne was suspended from the department’s blood-draw program — where officers are trained as phlebotomists so they can get blood samples — but he remains on duty with the Police Department, Shearer said. The department also has held training for the officers in the program as a result of the incident, he said.
  
  In a written report, Payne said he was responding to a request from Logan police to get the blood sample, to determine whether the patient had illicit substances in his system at the time of the crash. Payne explained the “exigent circumstances and implied consent law” to Wubbels, but, according to his report, she said “her policies won’t allow me to obtain the blood sample without a warrant.”
  
  Payne — who says he wanted the blood sample to protect the patient, not punish him — said he was advised by Lt. James Tracy, the watch commander on duty that night, to arrest Wubbels for interfering with a police investigation if she refused to let him get the sample, according to his report.
  
  Tracy said in his report that he spoke on the phone with Wubbels and told her he believed that they had implied consent to get the sample, but she cut him off and said she would not allow the draw without a warrant. He then went to the hospital and tried to tell the nurse why she was in custody, but “she appeared to not want to hear my explanation,” Tracy wrote.
  
  Porter, however, said “implied consent” has not been the law in Utah since 2007, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that the Constitution permits warrantless breath tests in drunken-driving arrests, but not warrantless blood tests. She stressed that the patient was always considered the victim in the case and never was suspected of wrongdoing.
  
  No claim or lawsuit has been filed, Porter said, but she has had discussions with Salt Lake City police and she believes the department will educate its officers.
  
  Wubbels said she has heard anecdotally of other health care workers being bullied and harassed by police, and that these videos prove that there is a problem.
  
  “I can’t sit on this video and not attempt to speak out both to re-educate and inform,” she said. Police agencies “need to be having conversations about what is appropriate intervention.”
  
  Wubbels, who was not charged, said she has watched the footage four or five times and said, “It hurts to relive it.”
  
  She never said “no” when Payne asked to take a blood sample; she merely explained the blood draw policy to him, according to Wubbels, who also said she was trying to keep her patient safe and do things the right way.
  
  Porter and Wubbels declined to release information about the patient, but Payne’s report identifies him as 43-year-old William Gray, a reserve officer in the Rigby, Idaho, Police Department, who suffered burns during a July 26 crash in Cache County.
  
  Gray is a truck driver when he is not serving as a reserve police officer, according to the Idaho State Journal. At about 2 p.m. on July 26, Gray was driving a semi north on State Road 89/91 near Sardine Canyon when a man fleeing from the Utah Highway Patrol crashed a pickup truck into him head-on, according to Logan police, who investigated the collision.
  
  The crash caused an explosion and fire, Logan police have said. Gray was on fire when he exited the semi. The driver of the pickup truck, Marcos Torres, 26, died at the scene.

[Gob]

Video of the "incident" on the page i linked too.

[Econoline]

Your post is lost in the general Trump malaise which affects this board, let's keep this one a separate issue.

I agree that there's way too much Trump news here, there, and everywhere...but I really do believe that the fact that the SCROTUS encouraged police to mistreat suspects may be a contributing factor in recent cases of, well, police mistreating suspects. Which is why I put my post in the "And now it's OK to rough up SUSPECTS" thread. You may disagree, but IMO there's a clear political angle to this story.

[Jarlaxle]

Too bad nobody managed to give that cop a hot shot. Say...100 units of insulin.

[BoSoxGal]

He's under criminal investigation now - power of the viral video-inspired public outrage!

[Scooter]

Once again, in the world before instant video, the "official story" of this incident would have been completely different, and the nurse would probably be facing attempted murder charges or something of the sort.

And if she had been black, she probably would have been shot.

[rubato]

The "shocks the conscience" standard isn't useful for police who have no conscience.


There was a case when I was doing forensic chemistry where the police forcibly catheterized a man to get a sample for drug testing who had never committed a crime. The neighbors had called police to check on him because he was behaving strangely.


Yrs,
Rubato

[BoSoxGal]

Remember the guy who was subject to enemas and a colonoscopy after failing to stop completely at a stop sign?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/n ... index.html

[Scooter]

I would have foregone any monetary settlement in exchange for all of the arresting officers getting down on their knees to suck my dick while their wives/girlfriends watched.

[Crackpot]

Err that's a rather specific fantasy.

[Scooter]

Thugs in uniforms who abuse their power deserve humiliation.

On second thought, pissing on them while their wives/girlfriends watched would work better. I don't think I'd trust my dick to any of their mouths.

[rubato]

Scooter:

Eew1 and eew 2.

If I really wanted ro hurt them I would demand they hand over all of their guns and ammo to me.

Yrs,
Rubato

[Jarlaxle]

He's under criminal investigation now - power of the viral video-inspired public outrage!

Unless he ends his life nailed to a cross and screaming, he got off too easily.

Any cops brought into that ER should be ignored and left to bleed out.

[ex-khobar Andy]

In the rightful anger over his behavior in arresting the nurse (surely interfering with a medical system must in itself be some sort of crime) we may have lost sight of this statement from this TFA:

“I’ll bring them all the transients and take good patients elsewhere,” Payne says.

So in his other job (I often wonder how so many cops seem to be able to hold down a second job: years ago I had a neighbor who was a cop and also had a second job as a highway toll collector yet I saw a lot of him evenings and weekends) he drives an ambulance. I presume this means that he will selectively bring them patients who cannot pay (transients) and take those who have insurance (good patients) elsewhere. I hope the ambulance company fires him as well for making medical decisions for asshole reasons.

[RayThom]