sue--wasn't there a guy during WW2 charged with treason for keeping his son in his home with an alleged knowledge that he intended to do some sort of sabotage? I don't have time to look it up, but I thought there was a SC case upholding the conviction of treason.
also, I cannot recall what Mary Sarat was convicted of with regard to John Wilkes Booth and Lincoln, but if it was treason it was, at best, being part of a conspiracy, and a pretty small player in that conspiracy.
All kicking off in Spain!
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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What in the world would it do? I mean, besides assemble.Gob wrote:
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A Cornish Assembly (Cornish: Senedh Kernow) is a proposed devolved law-making assembly for Cornwall along the lines of the Scottish Parliament, the National Assembly for Wales and the Northern Ireland Assembly in the United Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_Assembly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_Assembly
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So what is the point of the EU?European Council President Donald Tusk has explicitly ruled out any EU action over Catalonia, despite the "concerning" situation.
"There is no room, no space for any kind of mediation or international initiative or action," he said.
He was speaking at a joint news conference with EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker.
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Not sure it's a good idea; I've seen Doc Martin.Gob wrote:A Cornish Assembly (Cornish: Senedh Kernow) is a proposed devolved law-making assembly for Cornwall along the lines of the Scottish Parliament, the National Assembly for Wales and the Northern Ireland Assembly in the United Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_Assembly
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Love that show. Our new fave restaurant is in "Porth Wenn", (Port Isaac.)
https://nathan-outlaw.com/restaurant-nathan-outlaw/
https://nathan-outlaw.com/restaurant-nathan-outlaw/
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Are not all "rights" self-proclaimed"? Unless of course you concede a divine creator and universal rights dependent upon him...rubato wrote:
A self-proclaimed right then.
Burke and Bentham would both say that no such right can exist.
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"Natural rights, according to Bentham, are “simple nonsense: natural and imprescriptible rights, rhetorical nonsense, — nonsense upon stilts” So-called moral and natural rights are mischievous fictions and anarchical fallacies that encourage civil unrest, disobedience and resistance to laws, and revolution against "
"Burke did not deny the existence of natural rights; rather he thought that the a priori reasoning adopted by the drafters produced notions that were too abstract to have application within the framework of society.[35] In stating that “the pretended right of these theorists are all extremes; and in a proportion as they are metaphysically true, they are morally and politically false”,[32] Burke identified that abstract rights are meaningless without a societal framework:
“ What is the use of discussing a man’s abstract right to food or medicine? The question is upon the method of procuring and administering them. ”
— Edmund Burke[32]"
Bentham, Burke and Scalia all say that rights are only the rights you have because a law says you have them. Burke does not deny that natural rights exist but they are irrelevent. So no, some people say rights are not things you can just proclaim. If god did create human rights he was content to allow them to be violated by every society until the foundation of the modern liberal state and even wrote a guide to slavery. Historically it makes more sense to give credit to the beginnings of liberal humanism as the foundation of the idea of modern human rights and this was only possible when the church was stripped of secular power.
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I am with Sue U on Catalonia, agnostic.
Madrid appears determined to drive Catalonia into succession. Every step they have taken so far has predictably driven them to it. By making the vote 'illegal' they show contempt of Catalans and democracy. By threatening them afterwards they are denying Catalans have any right of self-government and treating them like disobedient children which drives moderates into the hard secessionist camp. If Madrid does not want succession then they are amazingl socially retarded. Succession aside accelerating the level of social conflict as they are doing trends inevitably towards violence, eventually.
Succession, like Brexit and Trumps election, is driven more by emotion and sentiment than reason and so it should have been responded to in a way to sooth emotions and supply them with more facts about the practical effects. But it is entirely up to the people of Catalonia and Spain.
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Madrid appears determined to drive Catalonia into succession. Every step they have taken so far has predictably driven them to it. By making the vote 'illegal' they show contempt of Catalans and democracy. By threatening them afterwards they are denying Catalans have any right of self-government and treating them like disobedient children which drives moderates into the hard secessionist camp. If Madrid does not want succession then they are amazingl socially retarded. Succession aside accelerating the level of social conflict as they are doing trends inevitably towards violence, eventually.
Succession, like Brexit and Trumps election, is driven more by emotion and sentiment than reason and so it should have been responded to in a way to sooth emotions and supply them with more facts about the practical effects. But it is entirely up to the people of Catalonia and Spain.
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Bert Large's place, innit?Gob wrote:Love that show. Our new fave restaurant is in "Porth Wenn", (Port Isaac.)
https://nathan-outlaw.com/restaurant-nathan-outlaw/
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Got this photo the the time we took Hatch here...
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Back to the OP..
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy is dissolving the Catalan parliament and calling snap local elections after MPs there voted to declare independence.
Mr Rajoy said the unprecedented imposition of direct rule on Catalonia was essential to "recover normality".
He is also firing Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont and his cabinet.
The crisis began when Catalan leaders held an independence referendum, defying a ruling by the Constitutional Court which had declared it illegal.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41783289
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