4 Star General John Kelly Joins the Pig in the Mud

[Big RR]

I guess by crossing the local mafia guy?

[Sue U]

I guess by crossing the local mafia guy?

Look, just because they were Italian doesn't mean you have to go all ethnic stereotype.

[Big RR]

Come on, it was all downhill after Emperor Guido.

And let's not forget, it was the mafia donations that made the RC church dominant (and set up the pope as the first among the patriarchs); the pope in return instituted a special ritual for mafia don funerals.

[rubato]

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As an aside the missile defense system Reagan promoted using x-ray lasers on satellites powered by nuclear expolsions was quickly abandoned as useless. Edward Teller admitted that it could not be made to work even though he convinced the very gullible Reagan to fund it. Reagan will be remembered for pissing away money on a useless R&D project and having poor judgement.

yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

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As an aside the missile defense system Reagan promoted using x-ray lasers on satellites powered by nuclear expolsions was quickly abandoned as useless. Edward Teller admitted that it could not be made to work even though he convinced the very gullible Reagan to fund it. Reagan will be remembered for pissing away money on a useless R&D project and having poor judgement.

yrs,
rubato

Reagan should be remembered for his dream and vision of preventing ICBMs from reaching their targets. He wanted to replace MAD with something less horrific. It will come true someday; it may be generation in the future and when it does Reagan deserves the credit. Do you liberals have the integrity to say yes to that?

Oh Rub, Reagan didn’t care about the nuts and bolts he just wanted something that worked.

[Bicycle Bill]

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As an aside the missile defense system Reagan promoted using x-ray lasers on satellites powered by nuclear expolsions was quickly abandoned as useless. Edward Teller admitted that it could not be made to work even though he convinced the very gullible Reagan to fund it. Reagan will be remembered for pissing away money on a useless R&D project and having poor judgement.

yrs,
rubato

Reagan should be remembered for his dream and vision of preventing ICBMs from reaching their targets. He wanted to replace MAD with something less horrific. It will come true someday; it may be generation in the future and when it does Reagan deserves the credit. Do you liberals have the integrity to say yes to that?

Oh Rub, Reagan didn’t care about the nuts and bolts he just wanted something that worked.

Puh-leeze .... Reagan proposes some pipe-dream scheme that could not work with the existing technology of the day, still will not work with the existing technology of today, and may never work until God-only-knows-when in the future; but IF, by some chance, it ever comes to pass then he should get the credit for it?

That's like saying that Jules Verne and not Admiral Rickover should be honored as the father of the nuclear submarine, Gene Roddenberry gets credit for warp speed and teleportation (should we ever find a way to implement these concepts), and sci-fi writers like Isaac Asimov, Poul Anderson, Ray Bradbury, and all the others should get recognition for robotics, interstellar travel, time machines, and all the other usual tropes of the genre.

-"BB"-

[ex-khobar Andy]

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As an aside the missile defense system Reagan promoted using x-ray lasers on satellites powered by nuclear expolsions was quickly abandoned as useless. Edward Teller admitted that it could not be made to work even though he convinced the very gullible Reagan to fund it. Reagan will be remembered for pissing away money on a useless R&D project and having poor judgement.

yrs,
rubato

Reagan should be remembered for his dream and vision of preventing ICBMs from reaching their targets. He wanted to replace MAD with something less horrific. It will come true someday; it may be generation in the future and when it does Reagan deserves the credit. Do you liberals have the integrity to say yes to that?

Oh Rub, Reagan didn’t care about the nuts and bolts he just wanted something that worked.

Puh-leeze .... Reagan proposes some pipe-dream scheme that could not work with the existing technology of the day, still will not work with the existing technology of today, and may never work until God-only-knows-when in the future; but IF, by some chance, it ever comes to pass then he should get the credit for it?

That's like saying that Jules Verne and not Admiral Rickover should be honored as the father of the nuclear submarine, Gene Roddenberry gets credit for warp speed and teleportation (should we ever find a way to implement these concepts), and sci-fi writers like Isaac Asimov, Poul Anderson, Ray Bradbury, and all the others should get recognition for robotics, interstellar travel, time machines, and all the other usual tropes of the genre.

-"BB"-

The objection at the time, as I recall it, was not so much scientific and technical - after all, lasers were just beginning to be used and the computer revolution was in its infancy - but that it would be an abrogation of various treaties and would force a new expanded arms race with the USSR. Reagan attempted to work around this objection by saying to Gorby (Iceland talks 1987) that once the US had developed the technology, it would give it to the USSR. I don't think that Gorbachev believed him.

[rubato]

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Reagan should be remembered for his dream and vision of preventing ICBMs from reaching their targets. He wanted to replace MAD with something less horrific. It will come true someday; it may be generation in the future and when it does Reagan deserves the credit. Do you liberals have the integrity to say yes to that?
... " .

No one earns credit just for wanting something if they did I would get a Nobel for wanting world peace. Wanting something like an anti-gravity belt and wasting money on trying to make one makes you a fool, not a visionary.


yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

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The objection at the time, as I recall it, was not so much scientific and technical - after all, lasers were just beginning to be used and the computer revolution was in its infancy - but that it would be an abrogation of various treaties and would force a new expanded arms race with the USSR. Reagan attempted to work around this objection by saying to Gorby (Iceland talks 1987) that once the US had developed the technology, it would give it to the USSR. I don't think that Gorbachev believed him.

There were plenty of both. The x-ray laser project was abandoned by 1992. IIR the American Physical Society said publicly that it was a bad idea. The biggest treaty hurdle was that we had signed a treaty banning nuclear weapons in space.



yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

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As an aside the missile defense system Reagan promoted using x-ray lasers on satellites powered by nuclear expolsions was quickly abandoned as useless. Edward Teller admitted that it could not be made to work even though he convinced the very gullible Reagan to fund it. Reagan will be remembered for pissing away money on a useless R&D project and having poor judgement.

yrs,
rubato

Reagan should be remembered for his dream and vision of preventing ICBMs from reaching their targets. He wanted to replace MAD with something less horrific. It will come true someday; it may be generation in the future and when it does Reagan deserves the credit. Do you liberals have the integrity to say yes to that?

Oh Rub, Reagan didn’t care about the nuts and bolts he just wanted something that worked.

Puh-leeze .... Reagan proposes some pipe-dream scheme that could not work with the existing technology of the day, still will not work with the existing technology of today, and may never work until God-only-knows-when in the future; but IF, by some chance, it ever comes to pass then he should get the credit for it?



-"BB"-

Well you can’t be all liberal if you will admit the truth and give credit to whom it is deserved even if you consider that person the devil.

And, Reagan did not only envisioned a better and safer nuclear world he also started a government research program to find the solution.

To all liberals, set your hatred a side for just a bit to see the truth.