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in his never-ending quest to change the focus to Hillary and the Democrats...
Clinton Ally and Former DNC Chairwoman Turns Tables, Accuses DNC of Rigging Primary Against Bernie

Donna Brazile is an Establishment Democrat with a capital E. She worked for Bill Clinton, ran Al Gore's campaign, and was forced out of her job as a CNN pundit in 2016 after getting caught leaking debate questions to Hillary Clinton's staff. She was a Democratic National Committee officer* and took over interim leadership of the organization after Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned last summer.

Now, in a new book, she's addressed critics who said the DNC ran a primary process that was slanted in Clinton's favor—by declaring that they right all along. From a Politico excerpt (Robby Mook was Clinton's campaign manager and Marc Elias is a Clinton lawyer):
When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.
It's hard to know what to make of this. On the one hand, it did seem to many people—both Sanders supporters and outside observers—as if the DNC clearly favored Clinton in the primary, and Brazile is citing a specific document to make her claim about that having been true.

On the other, we're relying here on her summary of the document, not its text, and Brazile has a clear personal incentive to distance herself from the DNC and Clinton campaign's 2016 failures. Her personal credibility is called into question by having made statements about the debate questions scandal that do not seem to have been truthful, and as Nate Silver points out, there are other non-DNC claims in the Politico excerpt that appear to be dubious too.

So ... take it all with a grain of salt, I guess? And/or just ignore it because 2016 is, at this point, ancient history? Who knows? Democrats gonna Democrat!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... ld_we.html

Here's a link to the Brazile book excerpt referenced in the article :

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... 016-215774

On the one hand, I don't see a new, huge revelation here...

It was obvious from the very beginning of the nomination campaign that Pinocchio-Shultz and the rest of the DNC hierarchy was completely in the tank for Clinton...

All you had to do was look at the original minimalist primary debate schedule, (which was set-up to favor the front runner) and the way Deb started adding debates like crazy when Hillary needed them to see this, plus something like 90% of all the DNC convention super delegates had endorsed Hillary before the first primary votwe had been cast...

And then when the Russian-hacked email dumps began, many of them shone even more light on the DNC bias, (which undoubtedly had an effect on suppressing Sanders voters to turn out for Hillary)

And also on a human level, the bias is somewhat understandable...

Here you had a lifelong dues paying Democrat running against a guy who wasn't even a member of the party; it's only natural that people who had spent years working hard to elect Democrats, would prefer the former over the latter...

But that having been said, at a time when if they are to re-take the Congress they are going to need the Sanders-lefty types to turn out to vote, (and in many districts, to turn out to vote for candidates that are a lot less "progressive" than they are) the Democratic Party needs this coming from a leader within their own ranks like a friggin' hole in the head... :roll:
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And of course Il Boobce is all over this like a cheap suit:
Trump Rips DNC, Clinton on Twitter After Brazile Revelations: ‘Real Collusion and Dishonesty’

If you were wondering when President Donald Trump would fire off some tweets about former interim Democratic National Committee chair Donna Brazile’s claims that the 2016 Democratic presidential primary was rigged against Bernie Sanders, you need wait no longer.

In a couple of tweets, Trump noted that the “DNC RIGGED” the system to steal the primary from Sanders, which constituted “real collusion and dishonesty.”
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Donna Brazile just stated the DNC RIGGED the system to illegally steal the Primary from Bernie Sanders. Bought and paid for by Crooked H....
5:39 PM - Nov 2, 2017

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

....This is real collusion and dishonesty. Major violation of Campaign Finance Laws and Money Laundering - where is our Justice Department?
5:48 PM - 2 Nov 2017
https://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-r ... ishonesty/
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I wish I could be surprised by this revelation, but I'm not. Although we're stuck with Drumpf for the duration, I am very satisfied that I couldn't bring myself to vote for Hillary in November. Validation gets sweeter every day.

The Dems got their ass handed to them, and I need to believe the DNC has learned from this debacle and will move on with less elitism and more inclusion.

I'm hoping Tuesday's midterm election will show what way the winds of change are blowing.

If this collusion, deceit, gridlock, and hate, continues I feel it may be time for a serious look to a third party.
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So much for talking, I'm surprised Donna is still breathing after the Matt Lauer debacle.

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While I did vote for Clinton and still would have, it became fairly clear to me afterward that the DNC spent the 8 years following Hillary's defeat to Obama in the 2008 Primaries doing nothing but set the house of cards up for a Hillary nomination. Which fell apart because the base fractured, and lost out to nationalism. Oddly, the youth wanted Bernie. But I knew many Democrats who wouldn't have voted for Bernie who did vote for Clinton. Again, they would have joined the stay-homers just like so many Bernie supporters did.

You think they would have learned from the Republicans that you DON'T put someone up who lost in the primary before, ever again. They won't, though. I have absolutely no idea who is gonna run in 2020. Wheras I knew Hillary was going to run in 2008 and 2016 years before the election.
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datsunaholic wrote:While I did vote for Clinton and still would have, it became fairly clear to me afterward that the DNC spent the 8 years following Hillary's defeat to Obama in the 2008 Primaries doing nothing but set the house of cards up for a Hillary nomination. Which fell apart because the base fractured, and lost out to nationalism. Oddly, the youth wanted Bernie. But I knew many Democrats who wouldn't have voted for Bernie who did vote for Clinton. Again, they would have joined the stay-homers just like so many Bernie supporters did.

You think they would have learned from the Republicans that you DON'T put someone up who lost in the primary before, ever again. They won't, though. I have absolutely no idea who is gonna run in 2020. Wheras I knew Hillary was going to run in 2008 and 2016 years before the election.
It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary runs in 2020 ... if Parkinson's doesn't waylay her.

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Darren wrote:... It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary runs in 2020 ... if Parkinson's doesn't waylay her.
I'm pretty sure that was part of the propaganda connected to the Russian meddling. When Hillary shakes it's usually from to much Chardonnay, and/or Bill needing a release.

My dark horse favorite for 2020? Joe Biden, and maybe Elizabeth Warren. Biden will eventually bow out and Warren gets a chance to be the first woman POTUS.
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RayThom wrote:
Darren wrote:... It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary runs in 2020 ... if Parkinson's doesn't waylay her.
I'm pretty sure that was part of the propaganda connected to the Russian meddling. When Hillary shakes it's usually from to much Chardonnay, and/or Bill needing a release.

My dark horse favorite for 2020? Joe Biden, and maybe Elizabeth Warren. Biden will eventually bow out and Warren gets a chance to be the first woman POTUS.
Based on the Secret Service tales from the crypt, I don't think Willie and Hilly have been an item for a looong time. It's getting hard to sort out the email mess between the private servers, what did Guccifer see and record, the Wikileaks from the DNC and Podesta, et al as far as the Russians. How did Wikileaks get the emails? The Russians must of been working overtime. Poor old Seth should have kicked back and let the Russians do the heavy lifting.

One thing's sure, Hillary's imitation of a sack of potatoes being dumped in a truck on 9/11/2016 didn't help her cause. That video went beyond viral. Same with her immediate appearance after the collapse outside Chelsea's apartment kneeling and chatting up the little kid for a photo op. I can remember watching the 360 in The Exorcist and getting the same "Wow, that's worth the price of admission" feeling."

As for Warren, I'm not sure if West Virginians would bird her like Hillary or other flyovers grit their teeth. I'm not convinced she'll sell well outside of the usual covens. As for Joe, he'd be good for popcorn sales.
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Joe Guy wrote:Parkinson's?
It's old news Joe. Some doctors have commented on symptoms. Supposedly part of the Wikileaks trove had emails discussing Parkinson's medications among her inner staff. I'm very, very, very good friends with a DVM, PhD, nurse practitioner that's worked with cows and later in her career had personal experience with Parkinson's and aids patients. She says Hillary has the neurological symptoms of a Parkinson's patient. It's just like buying antiques. You have to know what to look for.
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Covens. Nice. Women who speak out (and against the white male majority) are witches. And we wonder why sexual harassment remains so prevalent in this country. :roll: :roll: :roll:

As for the rest of the fantasies posted in this thread, I suggest you all read the actual contract, and not the various self-serving characterizations of the contract.
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Guinevere wrote:Covens. Nice. Women who speak out (and against the white male majority) are witches. And we wonder why sexual harassment remains so prevalent in this country. :roll: :roll: :roll:

As for the rest of the fantasies posted in this thread, I suggest you all read the actual contract, and not the various self-serving characterizations of the contract.
Guin, should I have used liberal bastions rather than covens? Technically a coven may have members of all genders. My post has no relation to Hillary's two faced responses for women. Thanks for the reply, BTW. It's a reminder we all see the world though individual frames of reference. Not that it's good or bad. It's the human condition.
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Brazile is a bitter loser with a lot of scores to settle and she does not mind hurting her own party to do it. I heard her in an interview and she has bad relationships with an unusually large number of people. I believe that much of what she says is true but what she does not say is that she was at the helm and she crashed the ship on the rocks. Hillary was entitled to take over the party since she bailed it out. And Bernie has no basis for complaint. He dishonestly pretended to switched parties just to use them to his ends. When he didn't get what he wanted he sulked off and left the Democratic party.

Clinton was a crappy candidate and should never have been considered after she took those huge bribes ["speaking fees"].



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  • Report: Hillary Clinton did this thing.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Facts Come In: Hillary Clinton did not do this thing.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Those Who Listened: No, actually, she did not do this thing.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    (Forever)

    Meanwhile: Trump does a thing.

    Trump: Fake News!

    Fox News: Silence.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Trump: Crooked Hillary.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Rinse, Wash, Repeat.

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rubato wrote:Brazile is a bitter loser with a lot of scores to settle and she does not mind hurting her own party to do it. I heard her in an interview and she has bad relationships with an unusually large number of people. I believe that much of what she says is true but what she does not say is that she was at the helm and she crashed the ship on the rocks. Hillary was entitled to take over the party since she bailed it out. And Bernie has no basis for complaint. He dishonestly pretended to switched parties just to use them to his ends. When he didn't get what he wanted he sulked off and left the Democratic party.

Clinton was a crappy candidate and should never have been considered after she took those huge bribes ["speaking fees"].



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Econoline wrote:
  • Report: Hillary Clinton did this thing.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Facts Come In: Hillary Clinton did not do this thing.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Those Who Listened: No, actually, she did not do this thing.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    (Forever)

    Meanwhile: Trump does a thing.

    Trump: Fake News!

    Fox News: Silence.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Trump: Crooked Hillary.

    The World: OMG! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing! Hillary Clinton did this thing!

    Rinse, Wash, Repeat.

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This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman.



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Based on conversations I heard during the campaign, the word criminal came up the most. The fact she and Bill were quite adept at funneling money to their foundations was the topic most of the time except for veterans who were incensed over the emails.
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"The fact she and Bill were quite adept at funneling money to their foundations"

Yep. They were. While their foundation actually was/is dong some good things.

So compare and contrast the money flow in D J Trump's charitable foundation. The fake news WaPo carefully followed the money in the Trump Foundation and reported on this during the campaign. I leave it for an exercise for the student to compare and contrast the income tax returns of Trump and Hillary.

Crooked, Crooked Hillary. Lock Her Up. Trump is a very successful salesman. Once again the effectiveness of the "Big Lie' strategy is demonstrated.

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Paradise Papers may be the lead in the news tomorrow morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/n ... ey-tell-us

Then again the really big story may be another tweet from POTUS about the terrible deeds done to him during his huge win in the presidential election.

The US Commerce Secretary is nailed in this big documentary-dump of off-shore tax reduction (I use that word because it is not clear how much is tax evasion--crime--and tax avoidance--prudence) Hints that the POTUS money details may be buried in this as well. The NY Times says they have had the data for a while but the Grey Lady is working slowly thru it all.

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Paradise Papers may be the lead in the news tomorrow morning.
Of course it won't be.

I can do no more than repeat Guin's tagline.

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and getting shot in the street is hard.

Why is that so much to ask?

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