Econoline wrote: What "liberal" sources have you seen or heard, liberty, that have been calling for the slaughter of their political opponents??? I don't know...are there, maybe, "alt-right" sources calling for the killing of liberals and you're just extrapolating from that?
My guess is it's Alex Jones telling him what "liberals" think.
Here's a clue, lib: If you want to know what liberals really think, you should ask a few. I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you. You don't actually have to believe everything you hear on Infowars or WorldNutDaily.
I see FoxNews is making the point that he was an atheist.
It doesn't matter if the dirtbag was an Atheist, a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, or a Hari Krishna, since it's become pretty obvious that his religion, (or any lack thereof) had absolutely NOTHING to do with why he committed this heinous act...
I just wasted a bunch of time perusing https://www.facebook.com/antifascistnews/ in an effort to find something that a right-wing nutjob might interpret as implying that "conservative Southern Baptist are no better than Nazi, fascist and racist and the more that die the better", with no success at all. But liberty or anyone else here is welcome to go there and try harder and scroll down further than I did.
However, I did find a great comment with an image of a tweet that just might be relevant to liberty's posts here...
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
— God@The Tweet of God
BoSoxGal wrote:The Air Force didn’t enter the monster’s convictions into NCIC or any other databases which would have flagged him to firearms dealers.
Yes I heard that. Would it have made a practical difference if he had bought the weapons at a gun show where, if I understand correctly, background checks are not required for private sellers? And (and this might vary by state) that is not really an exemption just for gun shows: private sales by any route do not require federal checks.
I am sure that there are pink communist in the Texas system and they will lie to promote their fascist leftist political agenda, but unlike the federal system is has not been totally corrupted yet.
I don't have time to visit so called alt-right sites that should be obvious. And if the Texans say it was domestic violence related I accept it, but the death so many bad people should leave a warm feeling in the hearts some liberals.
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Soon, I’ll post my farewell message. The end is starting to get close. There are many misconceptions about me, and before I go, to live with my ancestors on the steppes, I want to set the record straight.
liberty wrote:I will go out on a limb and say the shooter is a white liberal who hates Southern Baptist and Christians; Which is an attitude, I believe is a common attitude among liberals. Or, it could be revenge for the black church of a couple years ago. There have been some minor revenge attacks.
Not really much of a limb there. The right wing media is already spreading unsourced rumors that he was an atheist antifa member.
The guy was a sack of shit. It doesn't matter what his political leanings were.
Why do any of you keep on giving this disgusting piece of crap a forum here? The sooner you ignore him, the sooner he will disappear for good.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
Guinevere wrote:Why do any of you keep on giving this disgusting piece of crap a forum here? The sooner you ignore him, the sooner he will disappear for good.
If you want me gone all you have to do put together a poll, if the majority vote for me to go away I will. I might go through my notes and have my say before I go, but I will go.
Soon, I’ll post my farewell message. The end is starting to get close. There are many misconceptions about me, and before I go, to live with my ancestors on the steppes, I want to set the record straight.
Yes, it is possible for individual who are on the federal 'no gun purchase permitted' list to buy a gun. There are many items that federal law severely resticts sales but nevertheless, people still buy them.
But, if the Air Force had filled proper information about this guy, he would NOT have been able to get a job as a gun-carrying security guard.
A private firearm sale is just that, private. It need not happen at a gun show. One could discuss all manner of 'what ifs' in this shooting. Unlike most of the other recent mass shootings, the guns were legally purchased because an agency of the federal government failed to follow its own procedures and laws.
POTUS has announced this shooting is a mental health problem. I submit it is, in significant part, a problem of people who don't give a shit about doing their job right..No fascist, liberal, racist, conspiracy required.
BoSoxGal wrote:The Air Force didn’t enter the monster’s convictions into NCIC or any other databases which would have flagged him to firearms dealers.
Yes I heard that. Would it have made a practical difference if he had bought the weapons at a gun show where, if I understand correctly, background checks are not required for private sellers? And (and this might vary by state) that is not really an exemption just for gun shows: private sales by any route do not require federal checks.
He would have been able to purchase private sale or gun show under the background check loophole.
But this case certainly shows that all the people who say our current gun control laws are enough are very wrong - especially where so many law enforcement entities neglect recording criminal convictions into the national databases.
I had numerous cases during my time practicing criminal law in Montana where a more extensive background check by a probation officer preparing a pre-sentence investigation report for the court would reveal out of state convictions that didn’t show up in the NCIC criminal history that I relied upon in negotiating a plea deal. Sometimes these were minor, but other times they were serious felony offenses that blew apart the State’s favorable plea offer, which became barred by Montana law due to prior serious criminal history. Obviously the defendant knows (in some cases it was my client when I was defending), but they rely on the vagaries of the system - this is why some career criminals choose to relocate repeatedly. It’s outrageous that in this day and age record keeping and sharing is still so terrible in so many jurisdictions, but it’s a failure of our elected officials to fund the technology and manpower necessary to fully digitize criminal records and other information that would no doubt assist in solving thousands of unsolved crimes.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons
The New York Times
By DAVID MONTGOMERY, RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and JOSE A. DELREAL
SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.
The conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and infant stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he bought in the last four years. But that information was never entered by the Air Force into the federal database for background checks on gun purchasers, the service said.
“The Air Force has launched a review of how the service handled the criminal records of former Airman Devin P. Kelley following his 2012 domestic violence conviction,” the Air Force said in a statement. “Federal law prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms after this conviction.”
The statement said that Heather Wilson, the Air Force secretary, and Gen. David Goldfein, the Air Force chief of staff, had ordered the Air Force inspector general to work with the Pentagon’s inspector general to “conduct a complete review of the Kelley case and relevant policies and procedures.”
The Air Force also said that it was looking into whether other convictions had been improperly left unreported. “The service will also conduct a comprehensive review of Air Force databases to ensure records in other cases have been reported correctly,” the statement said.
New details of the killings also emerged on Monday, including a possible motive. Local law enforcement officials said that Mr. Kelley may have been driven by anger toward his estranged wife’s family, the final chapter in a life full of domestic rage.
In addition to his court-martial, in which his previous wife was the victim, he had been investigated on a rape complaint, though he was not charged and his relationship to the victim was unclear.
His current wife’s mother attended First Baptist Church, the target of Mr. Kelley’s rage on Sunday. “The suspect’s mother-in-law attended this church,” Freeman Martin, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said during a news conference Monday morning. “We know that he had made threatening texts and we can’t go into detail into that domestic situation that is continuing to be vetted and thoroughly investigated.”
“This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs, it was a domestic situation going on,” Mr. Martin added.
Mr. Kelley’s wife and her parents were not at the church on Sunday, the authorities said, but a relative of his wife’s grandmother posted on Facebook that the grandmother was there and had been killed.
Mr. Kelley, who was dressed in all black and wore a skull-face mask, left the church, engaged in a gunfight with a bystander outside, and then led the bystander and another man in a dramatic car chase that ended with Mr. Kelley dead behind the wheel.
He had shot himself, investigators said, though it was not yet clear whether that bullet had caused his death.
Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.
Guinevere wrote:Why do any of you keep on giving this disgusting piece of crap a forum here? The sooner you ignore him, the sooner he will disappear for good.
He's like the turd in the punch bowl, a reprehensible human being.
Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.
Well, I for one don't really want the poster who calls himself "liberty" to "disappear for good". I think it's important to remind ourselves that people like him exist, and (more importantly) for us to remind people like him that their ideas of "what liberals believe" are *NOT* what actual liberals, progressives, or leftists believe but rather what right-wing propagandists want him to believe about us. If he wants to leave, fine, but the fact that he's stuck around for this long despite all the verbal abuse leads me to hope (probably unrealistically, but still...) that he's not quite as closed-minded as he seems.
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
— God@The Tweet of God
No more bannings for anything other than personal attacks (and even that gets wobbly upon further analysis).
This however:
I don't have time to visit so called alt-right sites that should be obvious. And if the Texans say it was domestic violence related I accept it, but the death so many bad people should leave a warm feeling in the hearts some liberals.
is disgusting, liberty. I suggest you should begin to "not have time" to spend on blatantly false and evil statements.
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
rubato wrote:The shooter's particulars include a lot of things suggestive of mental illness.
yrs,
rubato
Only in the general sense that you'd have to be mentally ill to do something like that. I think the fact that he took pains to disguise himself with some sort of face covering, he apparently practiced on his property for a while, and he tried to flee in his truck will indicate to the court that he was not insane in a legal sense.
I never said ban, and I wouldn't put that much effort into such trash. But engaging him only stimulates more reprehensible and offensive posting that the rest of us have to wade through.
I can ignore him just fine, but in the whole I'd much prefer to have wes, however misguided, than this lying, evil, crap.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt said between 12 and 14 children were among those killed in the attack in Sutherland Springs, a small town 30 miles (50km) south-east of the city of San Antonio.
The youngest of those who died was only a year old.
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Cruelty to animals in childhood is a predictor for antisocial personality disorder. The fact that he planned it and tried to escape is not inconsistent with that.
What "liberal" sources have you seen or heard, liberty, that have been calling for the slaughter of their political opponents??? I don't know...are there, maybe, "alt-right" sources calling for the killing of liberals and you're just extrapolating from that?
