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The Alabama Senate Race Just Got a Lot More Interesting...

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no pun intended:
Woman Says Alabama Senate Nominee Roy Moore Sexually Assaulted Her When She Was 14

A woman says GOP Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 14.

Leigh Corfman, now 53, told The Washington Post in an article published Thursday that Moore, then a 32-year-old assistant district attorney, took off her shirt and removed his clothes in the 1979 incident. He touched her over her bra and led her hands to touch him over his underwear, she said.

“I wanted it over with — I wanted out,” Corfman told the paper. “Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over.”

Three other women said Moore also made sexual advances to them when they were teenagers around the same time, according to the newspaper. Wendy Miller said she was working as a Santa’s helper at a mall when she was 14 when Moore first approached her. By the time she was 16, she said Moore was asking her out on dates.

The age of consent was and continues to be 16 in Alabama.

Moore, in a written statement to the Post, denied doing anything inappropriate.

“These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign,” Moore said.

A Moore spokesman called the accusations “garbage” and “fake news.”

“Judge Roy Moore has endured the most outlandish attacks on any candidate in the modern political arena, but this story in today’s Washington Post alleging sexual impropriety takes the cake,” campaign spokesman John Rogers told HuffPost in a statement. “National liberal organizations know their chosen candidate Doug Jones is in a death spiral, and this is their last ditch Hail Mary.

“This garbage is the very definition of fake news and intentional defamation,” Rogers added.

A special election for the U.S. Senate seat in Alabama vacated by now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions takes place Dec. 12. Moore is up against Democrat Doug Jones.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ro ... eac08bf667

Here's a link to the original WaPo article (very in-depth and detailed reporting)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... b95d337353


As long a Moore doesn't drop out of the race, (which given the fact that it's Roy Moore, I seriously doubt will happen) apparently there's no way at this point to remove him as the nominee, or invalidate votes cast for him:
As GOP lawmakers discuss Roy Moore stepping aside, state election official says he can’t be removed from the ballot

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (WHNT) – Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill tells WHNT News 19 Roy Moore’s name was already printed on Alabama’s ballot after the nominees were confirmed back in October. Merrill also pointed out many voters have already cast their ballot for Moore, considering absentee ballots were sent out October 15th. [The election is Dec. 12th]

This comes as prominent members of the US Senate and the Republican Party, from Mitch McConnell to Richard Shelby to John McCain, say Roy Moore should step aside if the allegations are true.

Merrill says, there’s nothing the Republican Party can do to remove Roy Moore from the ballot, but they can encourage a write-in campaign.

The only thing that could make votes no longer count for Moore would be for the candidate to remove himself from the race.

This comes as Roy Moore is coming under heavy fire, after the Washington Post published a story containing accusations of inappropriate sexual advances from Roy Moore against a 14-year-old girl. He was 32 at the time of the alleged incident.

The Post reports the encounter happened in early 1979. Roy Moore was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney.
http://whnt.com/2017/11/09/as-gop-lawma ... he-ballot/

Whether Moore remains in a two person race, or the GOP mounts a serious write-in campaign, (Most likely the current appointed incumbent, Luther Strange) it looks to me like the chances of the Dems picking up this seat just went way up...
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The family values party . . .

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A large part of me is willing to believe anything about Moore, if it is deleterious to him.

A small part says - really? 40 years later when he is running for Senate and long after his name has been front and center for holier-than-thou-man-of-the-year? I don't need this to think he is unqualified to be a senator.

But I read the Wapo piece. Impeccably researched; and I can't believe that these women are all lying and in fact they have no reason to - it's not as if they are disgruntled Hillary supporters who want to reverse events of a year ago. It rings very true. I believe it. I think Moore is toast (see for example Kevin Spacey replaced by Christopher Plummer) and if I understand the Alabama system, it's too late to take him off the ballot.

ETA - OK LJ - I see you addressed my last point in your post.

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Lord Jim wrote:Whether Moore remains in a two person race, or the GOP mounts a serious write-in campaign, (Most likely the current appointed incumbent, Luther Strange) it looks to me like the chances of the Dems picking up this seat just went way up...
Yeah, from absolute zero to snowball's chance in hell.

Big Luther (R-Oil & Gas) isn't much better in terms of public policy, but he's not a certifiable nutcase like Moore.

The best thing about the Moore allegations is that it will give Steve Bannon the shits.

The Democratic candidate, Doug Jones, is actually a really good choice and would show the rest of the country that Alabama isn't the always the ignorant racist backwater that everyone else thinks it is. (He re-opened a cold case to prosecute the KKK members responsible for the 1963 Birmingham church bombing; got convictions, too.)
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Like old Strom Thurmond who got a 16 year old family servant pregnant when he was in his middle 20s and then covered it up.


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I heard Doug Jones often exposed himself in the boys locker room in high school. I can't wait to hear his explanation on that.
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Yeah, from absolute zero to snowball's chance in hell.
I don't know about that...

The polls since Moore was nominated have only had him with a 6-8 point lead...

But given the 6-1 party registration advantage for the GOP, and the fact that an election held less then two weeks before Christmas was going to be pretty low turnout, before this came out he was a pretty safe bet, (even after the morale boost Dem voters received from this Tuesdays results)

But if he stays in the race, this has got to have a depressive affect on GOP turnout on election day...

And that's just based on these four allegations going back decades...

If the pattern for this sort of thing holds, who knows how many more there will be between now and election day...

I think the best scenario the GOP would have would be for Moore to drop out, and the party mount an organized and well financed write-in campaign for Strange...

There's such a huge party affiliation advantage for the Republicans that with Moore's votes invalidated by his withdrawal Strange could win...And Alabama is one of those states, (like Alaska, where Lisa Murkowski won in 2010 as a write-in) where it's relatively easy to mount a write-in campaign...

Though he'd still have to do it without all the voters who cast early votes for Moore, who would not be eligible to vote again...
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I donated - albeit a very modest amount - to the Jones campaign; he’s an admirable guy and I’d love to see him win an upset. I read a few in depth articles back when he prosecuted the Birmingham church bombing and he’s one of the few prosecutors I consider a bit of a hero - though admittedly I know nothing about his career case history or typical tactics.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-gop- ... 54676.html
After a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.

"I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," he says. "I'm not saying I support what he did."


They're different all right.


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I know I shouldn't have laughed at this, but I guess I'm just a bad, bad person...

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After a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.

"I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," he says. "I'm not saying I support what he did."
Oh, I've got one for you that's much worse than that...(as awful as that is)

My jaw hit the floor when I saw this one:
Alabama state official defends Roy Moore, citing Joseph and Mary: ‘They became parents of Jesus’

An Alabama state official on Thursday dismissed a Washington Post report alleging that GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore had initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl decades ago, saying there was an age gap between the biblical Joseph and Mary. The Post also alleged that Moore had pursued three others when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s.

“Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler told The Washington Examiner. “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.” :loon :loon :loon :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I wasn't to inlclined to believe this until I head him use "fake news" which has become code for "I didn't do it *wink wink*"
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Two things make this very credible to me...

First, if you were going to make up a story, why not make up one that was even worse? Why not accuse him of actual rape in addition to sexual assault?

Second, the fact that there are three others with no connection to the first accuser alleging similar behavior, (not quite as young as this one was, but the same pattern...)

I'll be very surprised if there aren't more shoes that drop....

A predator of this type doesn't engage in this behavior four times decades ago and then just stop, and what we've seen now over and over is that once victims start to come forward, it helps to give courage to others to do so as well...
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That and you don't get defenses like the one the ones posted unless there is some fire behind the smoke. (Either that of those people really need to be investigated)
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Lord Jim wrote:
Alabama state official defends Roy Moore, citing Joseph and Mary: ‘They became parents of Jesus’
Oh FFS, Alabama is unredeemable.
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Sue U wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:
Alabama state official defends Roy Moore, citing Joseph and Mary: ‘They became parents of Jesus’
Oh FFS, Alabama is unredeemable.
Pretty much. Moore isnt backing down or stepping out. Check out the quotes and linked tweets in today's 202 from the Post. After reading it, I think we're still at "snowball's chance in hell" stage: Alabama sux
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Alabama: "We will vote for a child molester over a Democrat because Christian family values."

I'm glad Moore's not dropping out. The longer he stays in it, the more it improves Doug Jones's chances. Moore was already an embarrassment to the GOP; this should make him a pariah.

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Also, I just cannot let this go by without comment:

The Alabama State Auditor said of a 32-year-old man engaging in sexual contact with a 14-year-old: “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here."

This guy needs to barred from holding any public office and having any contact whatsoever with children. "Fourteen" by definition means "too young to consent," even in Alabama, so any sexual contact with an adult is ILLEGAL AS A MATTER OF LAW. THERE IS NO GRAY AREA HERE. Also, he thinks a man in his 30s pursuing relationships with teenagers 14 to 17 is not immoral????? I'll bet his tune changes considerably if he's asked about marrying off young girls to adult men in the Mideast, South Asia or Africa. And as a parent of 14- and 15-year-old girls myself, I'm pretty sure no parent thinks it's in any way okay that girls that age be dating 30-something-year-old men.
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Just as I would not go to a criminal trial lawyer to do my taxes, I would not depend on a state auditor to tell me what is criminal, or the general run of Alabama citizens to tell me what is immoral. Sorry, but the track record for Alabama and morality is, IMNSHO, not even close to the national median. Very Special exception to the memory of Smitty.

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This guy needs to barred from holding any public office and having any contact whatsoever with children. "Fourteen" by definition means "too young to consent," even in Alabama,...
By, Mr. Zeigler is also a licensed attorney:
Jim Zeigler is an American lawyer and politician. He is the current State Auditor of Alabama. Before becoming State Auditor, he served on the Alabama Public Service Commission.
He also has a long and uh, colorful, political history:
He won a position on the Alabama Public Service Commission in 1974, at the age of 24. He did not run for reelection in 1978.[4]

He ran for state office unsuccessfully seven times, four as a Democrat, and three as a Republican, losing elections for President of the Public Service Commission in 1976, the Alabama Board of Education in 1978, Supreme Court of Alabama in 1982, State Treasurer of Alabama in 1986, the Alabama Court of Civil Appeals in 1996, Public Service Commission in 1998, and State Auditor of Alabama in 2002.

These close losses earned him the nickname "Mr. 49 Percent".[5][6] In 2006, Zeigler announced the end of his political activism, [a decision he should have stuck with] as he resigned from the Conservative Christians of Alabama and the League of Christian Voters, two political action committees for which he served as chairman.[6]

Zeigler ran for State Auditor in 2014. In the Republican primary, Zeigler faced Dale Peterson, candidate for Agriculture Commissioner in 2010; Adam Thompson, Deputy Chief of Staff in the Alabama Secretary of State's office; and Hobbie Sealy, former Deputy Conservation Commissioner. Zeigler won a runoff against Peterson, and defeated Miranda Joseph, the Democratic Party nominee, in the general election.[5] In 2015, Zeigler filed lawsuits against Luther Strange, the Attorney General of Alabama, and Baldwin County, Alabama schools to stop them from spending taxpayer money on political campaigns.[7] The suits were dismissed.[8]

Following the Charleston church shooting in June 2015, Zeigler advocated that parishioners take their guns to church.[9] Zeigler gave a speech to the League of the South, termed a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, in September 2015.[10][11] In March 2016, Zeigler filed an ethics complaint against Robert J. Bentley, the Governor of Alabama, for allegedly using state funds in an extramarital affair.[12]

On March 2, 2017, Zeigler became embroiled in nationwide controversy and condemnation when he posted a picture on Twitter comparing Congresswomen dressed in white to the Ku Klux Klan.[13] Zeigler defended his post, saying that when the Congresswomen wore white as a symbol of Women's Suffrage at a speech by President Trump, "when they did that, they opened themselves up to criticisms and questions about that."[citation needed]

In November 2017, following the allegations of child molestation made against Republican Roy Moore, Zeigler was quoted as saying: "Even if you accept the Washington Post's report as being completely true, it's much ado about very little"[14], and argued that relationships between grown men and teenage girls were acceptable because "take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."[15]
Gee whiz, you'd think that somebody who had served as chairman of an organization called "The League Of Christian Voters" might know something as basic about Christianity as that Joseph is not supposed to be the biological father of Jesus...

Especially since that little detail kinda forms the whole basis for the legitimacy of The New Testament.... :roll:
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You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I'd love to see Moore running with the tag line: 'Not immoral or illegal. Just a little bit unusual.' That'll bring 'em in. Times like this I miss Tess, who was always a voice of sanity out of Alabama.

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