The Alabama Senate Race Just Got a Lot More Interesting...

[Joe Guy]

I don't think that's the kind of experience anyone could forget. You've really done it now, BB. You're goin' down. The women here are lining up to rip you to shreds.

Do you own a flak jacket? A bomb shelter? Someone who can get you into the witness protection program?...

[BoSoxGal]

And from another article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 53181.html

Beverly Young Nelson claims Mr. Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16. The Alabama resident, now 56, says Mr. Moore was 39 years old and working as a district attorney when he allegedly forced himself on her in his car.

Ms. Nelson told reporters on Monday that Mr. Moore had been a regular at the restaurant where worked as a teenager. Through tears, she described a night in which he allegedly offered to drive her home.

Instead of taking her home, Ms. Nelson claimed, the candidate drove into a dark area, locked the doors of his car, and began groping her breasts. When she fought and screamed, she alleged, he grabbed her neck and attempted to force her head toward his crotch.

If for no other reason than the benefits that are to be gained in the fight against Alzheimer's, we really must find out what these women are eating or drinking that allows their memories to remain so sharp, vivid, and accurate three or four decades after the fact.

-"BB"-

If you’d ever been sexually assaulted you’d understand that it remains burned in the memory like it happened yesterday, even if it happened in early childhood.

You are truly a vile man.

[Guinevere]

My god, even Mitch Fucking McConnell believes the women —- or gives lip service to it anyway.

If you had ever been sexually assaulted or harassed, believe me, you would remember. The first time it happened to me I was 14, I was in a restaurant with family celebrating my Mom’s birthday, and I can tell you every detail down to what I was wearing. But at 14, I didn’t realize what was happening until later, and I was “lucky” it was relatively benign. I can tell you again what I was wearing, and every detail of the first encounter when it happened in law school — again in a public setting but so manipulative and subtle it was almost hard to believe. Almost. Even classmates could tell you about the rather public obsession the Professor had with me and the inappropriate sexual things he said to me in class, and then before class, and after class, until I stopped going to class, office hours, or anywhere he might be. To this day, I don’t know if I earned my “A” in that class because of my work or if it was a “reward” for not speaking up. Last summer, I encountered a man I knew and liked as a young lawyer, who even though he is now long married, felt it his right to try and force himself on me in a platonic social setting. And yes, I can tell you exactly what I was wearing at the time. I looked hot, in a black cocktail dress and heels. So what?

I don’t give a damn whether you believe me or not. I know what happened and how I was paralyzed by both fear and amazement that it was happening —- until this most recent time when I told him to get the hell away from me. But it should not have taken 36 years for me to find my voice.

Each of these situations had three basic things in common — the men were older than I, more powerful than I and in a position of trust, and the harassment (unwanted touching and overtly sexual comments) occurred in public. And no, none of it was “locker room talk” or anything I invited. And yes, I’m “lucky” I was never raped, and that’s its only happened to me a few times. Thankfully, that’s not the standard for sexual assault or harassment. Or to be credible.

[datsunaholic]

I am in no way surprised that people who have experienced that sort of attack remember it so clearly.

I was in grade school in the 1980s. We had a police officer come around once a year (he was called "Officer Friendly") to teach the kids about how to avoid/handle situations where strangers tried to force themselves on kids. Child lurings happened then as they do now. We were taught not to accept candy from strangers, not to get in guys cars, etc. When to tell our folks about things.

One day, I was maybe 8 or 9, my sister and I were walking home from school and a guy came up to use with a brown paper bag and asked us if we wanted any candy. Word for word: "I'm really a nice guy!". We didn't run but we got the heck out of there. I remember the street, the bag (but not the contents) and the route we took home that was not our normal route after that. Again, 8 or 9 years old. Total stranger. And I remember it. Because I was scared. And I had my little sister with me.

But worse, recalling that memory brought back other memories of my sisters being taken advantage of by neighborhood boys. I'd walked in on it- again, I was maybe 9 or 10, which puts my sisters at age of 5 and 8. Everyone was under the age of 10 at that point. My mom had some serious talks with my sisters after that. That's some shit I wish I didn't remember.

[Crackpot]

Bill has no idea how traumatic events work he must have lead a truly blessed life. Kennedy? 911? Meh.

[RayThom]

... If for no other reason than the benefits that are to be gained in the fight against Alzheimer's, we really must find out what these women are eating or drinking that allows their memories to remain so sharp, vivid, and accurate three or four decades after the fact.

Really, BB? If there is anyone who enjoys sarcasm -- biting or otherwise -- it's me. The above is not sarcasm. I see it as an odious and foolish rant of a bitter old man. And you often write about how frustrating life has been because the ladies seem to loathe and shun your advances so often. Well, duh!

I guarantee that if you were ever poked up the ass, or even manhandled, in the boys locker room by anyone who had power over you you'd remember that encounter for life, whether you ever told anyone about it or not. It's not due to "selective memory." It's how the mind copes when dealing with severe trauma. I know that some people are destine to die lonely and alone. You have just exposed yourself as a prime example.

May God have mercy on your soul.

[Lord Jim]

I believe McConnell has launched a pretty smart strategy to give the GOP the best chance of keeping the Alabama Senate seat, while also not having to accept Roy Moore:

Head of Senate Republican campaign committee says Moore should be expelled if he wins

(CNN)Sen. Cory Gardner, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said Monday that if Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore "refuses to withdraw and wins, the Senate should vote to expel him."
Gardner said in a statement, "he does not meet the ethical and moral requirements of the United States Senate."
There have only been 15 expulsions in US Senate history.

Earlier Monday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters that Moore should step aside. Later McConnell was asked as he left the US Senate floor, if Moore should be expelled if he is elected.

"I said this morning all I'm going to say today," McConnell responded. "And others are speaking for themselves and you all are reporting it."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/politics/ ... index.html

The Chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee doesn't issue a statement like that without the approval of the Senate Republican leader...

I think the strategy goes like this:

If Moore doesn't step aside, (very unlikely that he will...I don't think Moore would withdraw if 20 accusers came forward..I doubt he'd step aside even if Trump asked him to...) there will be no serious write-in challenge to split the GOP vote...

Instead, if Moore is elected, McConnell will immediately move to have him expelled...A hearing on his expulsion could be held before he sworn-in, (in fact even before he is elected) and there are ways to delay his swearing in as well:

To the extent that Mr. Moore is entitled to a defense against expulsion, the Senate could initiate fitness proceedings now, before the election, to ascertain whether the accusations against him are credible; alternately, it could suspend his swearing-in until after the investigative proceedings are concluded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/opin ... gress.html

Immediately after he is sworn-in, McConnell will have a motion brought to the floor to expel him...

Expulsion requires a 2/3 vote, but with probably all but a handful of GOP Senators voting for it, as much as they'd like politically to have a senator Roy Moore to use as a lightning rod in the mid terms, the Dems would have no choice but to vote for it too, since they could hardly allow themselves to be seen as the party that was blocking a pedophile's expulsion from the Senate, so Moore's expulsion would be a certainty...

After Moore is expelled, the Republican Governor of Alabama will then again appoint an interim Senator, (Luther or Strange again, or some other Republican)

And that Senator will serve until Alabama holds another election for the seat, which could be as far way as 2018:

Under Alabama law, Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, is supposed to appoint an interim senator and order a special election. But the law doesn’t specify a deadline for that election, which means that the state could just wait until the next regularly scheduled elections, in November 2018. That way, the Republicans, who have a narrow Senate majority, wouldn’t lose a seat, and could avoid casting a blind eye on credible allegations of sexual abuse of a minor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/opin ... gress.html

So the Dems no longer have a win-win situation with this race...

If Jones doesn't win the race out-right...Which he has a decent shot to do, if they get their vote to turnout:

Doug Jones pulls ahead of Moore in first polling since sexual misconduct allegations

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — For the first time the Democratic candidate for the U. S. Senate, Doug Jones, is leading in a new poll. The numbers come in the aftermath of recent sexual misconduct allegations by multiple women against Republican Roy Moore. The polling was conducted before the latest accusation on Monday from a woman claiming Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16.

Louisianna-based JMC Analytics shows Jones with a new advantage at 46-42. 9% of voters remain undecided. Both candidates experienced a six-point swing from the last survey. Of the 9% undecided, 48% say they are leaning towards Jones against 44% towards Moore.

http://whnt.com/2017/11/13/doug-jones-p ... legations/

They're not going to get the consolation prize of having Roy Moore as a Republican Senator; they're going to wind up with another appointed Republican holding that seat, quite likely till the mid-term elections...

[Guinevere]

Getting rid of Roy Moore is the first priority, and if we can keep him and his loathsome view of the law and the world out of the US Senate, that is a victory. The rest will flow from that.

[Lord Jim]

Roy Moore Signed Latest Accuser’s High-School Yearbook



Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore cannot deny having ever known his latest sexual-misconduct accuser, [Oh yes he can; he's already done it] because he glowingly signed her high-school yearbook. On Monday afternoon, Beverly Young Nelson held a press conference with feminist lawyer Gloria Allred, recounting in vivid detail how, when she was 16 years old,

Moore allegedly attempted to rape her in a vehicle parked near a dumpster. While crying, Nelson claimed the pro-Trump aspiring senator choked her and said “You’re just a child,” before dumping her on the pavement and leaving without her. Nelson then held up her high-school yearbook, with Moore’s signature: “To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore... Roy Moore, DA.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roy-moore ... l-yearbook

I can't speak for any of the other guys here, but I have to tell you, that when I was 30 years old I wasn't signing girls high school yearbooks...

Nor was I hanging out at malls, trolling for dates:

Roy Moore, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Alabama, was banned from a mall in the early 1980s after he repeatedly attempted to pick up teenage girls, former mall employees and local police told The New Yorker. Other locals also told AL.com that Moore was known for prowling the mall.

Moore, whom five women have accused of making advances on them or molesting them when they were teenagers, allegedly had a reputation for hanging around the Gadsden Mall, in Gadsden, Alabama, in pursuit of high school-age girls.

One former mall employee told The New Yorker that a security guard asked mall employees to be on the lookout for Moore, who was “banned from the mall.”

Blake Usry, who was a teenager in town at the time, told AL.com Moore was known to "flirt with all the young girls," and would hang out at the mall on weekends "like the kids did."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-al ... uing-teens

Roy Moore's former colleague says it was "common knowledge" he dated teens

A former prosecutor who once worked alongside embattled Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore in the early 1980s told CNN it was "common knowledge" at the time that Moore dated high school girls.

"It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird," former deputy district attorney Teresa Jones told CNN in comments aired Saturday. "We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall ... but you really wouldn't say anything to someone like that."

CBS News has reached out to Jones for comment.

Jones, now a partner at the Syprett, Meshad, Resnick, Lieb, Dumbaugh, Jones, Krotec & Westheimer, P.A. law firm based in Sarasota, Florida, served as deputy district attorney for Etowah County, Alabama from 1982 to 1985, according to her firm's website. Moore worked as a deputy district attorney in that office from 1977 to 1982. Before joining the DA's office, Jones was the assistant city attorney for the city of Gadsden, Alabama, the county seat of Etowah County.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teresa-jon ... ted-teens/

[Sue U]

Pervy creep.

Run, Roy, run!!! Alabama needs a Democrat in the Senate!!!!

[RayThom]

“He picked me out of all the girls at church. But the relationship, especially after he moved on, reset my moral compass. If all the church conversation about morality and sexual purity was a lie, what else was fake?“

[Econoline]

[Burning Petard]

David Brooks has a understandable explanation for how people who self-identify as 'Christian' would vote for an infamous sexual predator before they would vote for any Democrat.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opin ... collection

the #MeToo movement (and i think a sociologist could call it a movement) may be changing this. David Brooks offers a tactic that might work as well. But confrontation and shaming the Alabama voter will not change the growing polarization/tribalism of American polity. Any good liberal here ready to say, a la Mitchell, 'I believe the girls' when the girl is Jaunita Broaddrick?

I think BB deserves a break here. Let his posts reveal to the reader what they reveal. He and Liberty and even WESW are reminders of what the general population includes. It is not all like me. It is possible that they have good reason for a world view and a particular view of particular event that I do not share. Nevertheless, they do have a right to post in this place.

snailgate

[Crackpot]

They have a right to post but that doesn’t prevent them from being called out on their bullshit.

[RayThom]

Hey, li'l girlie... wanna' Hershey bar?

Locals Were Troubled by Roy Moore’s Interactions with Teen Girls at the Gadsden Mall
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... dsden-mall

[rubato]

That boy has more skeletons in his closet than Fibber McGee has junk. You'd think someone with a past this funky would keep his head down and try not to attract attention.


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[rubato]

"...
If for no other reason than the benefits that are to be gained in the fight against Alzheimer's, we really must find out what these women are eating or drinking that allows their memories to remain so sharp, vivid, and accurate three or four decades after the fact.

-"BB"-

And even more amazing is how people who don't know each other recall such similar details.


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[BoSoxGal]

[Lord Jim]

And now this bit of weirdness:

This Fake Robocall Is Trying To Discredit The Reporting Of Roy Moore Accusers

A pastor in Alabama got a call from a someone with a ~unique~ accent pretending to be a reporter named "Bernie Bernstein."

At least one person in Alabama received a robocall Tuesday from someone pretending to be a Washington Post reporter offering to pay for "damaging remarks" about Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate accused of sexually harassing five women.

Pastor Al Moore from Creola, Alabama, received a call from a private phone number on Tuesday, he told WKRG-TV. When he checked his voicemail, he had a message from "Bernie Bernstein," who claimed to be a reporter for the Washington Post.

The person said they were "calling to find out if anyone at this address is a female between the ages of 54 to 57 years old willing to make damaging remarks about candidate Roy Moore for a reward of between $5,000 and $7,000."

The call came after the Post published a bombshell report in which four women accused Moore of sexually harassing them when they were teenagers, sending the state's Senate race into turmoil and causing Republicans to rescind their endorsements.

In what appears to be an attempt at a New York Jewish accent, "Bernstein" says in the voicemail that "We will not be fully investigating these claims however we will make a written report. I can be reached by email."

Baffled, Pastor Moore told the station he sent a response to the email address but it bounced back.

The Post slammed the voicemail, calling it a hoax and a shoddy attempt to discredit their journalism.

"The call’s description of our reporting methods bears no relationship to reality," Marty Baron, the newspaper executive editor, said in a statement. "We are shocked and appalled that anyone would stoop to this level to discredit real journalism.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/t ... .awkj7MR8v

You can listen to the call here:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... moore.html


So, that fake news Washington Post has sent some New York Jew boy down to Alabama to smear and defame our great and noble Roy Moore...

Sadly, I'm sure there are some folks who got that call who will believe exactly that...

[ex-khobar Andy]

What is a little weird about this is that so far I have seen only the one report. The nature of a robocall is that it is a scattershot and I am surprised to not have heard others.

A 'like' for the Roy Story pic, BSG.