You Better Sit Down, Dale...

[Joe Guy]

This part is interesting:

Manson with Afton Elaine Burton. He applied for a marriage license in 2014, but the relationship fell apart after it was claimed she wanted possession of his corpse to put on display

[dales]

STAR AND CHARLIE IN HAPPIER TIMES

[MajGenl.Meade]

Nobody got the "fork"? <sigh>

[Joe Guy]

That joke was hard to stomach...

[dales]

In case anyone was wondering:

Manson’s grandson hopes to claim remains, bring them to Florida


By Steve Rubenstein Updated 6:09 pm, Tuesday, November 21, 2017


The grandson of the late mass murderer Charles Manson says he plans to come to California and claim the remains of the man he calls “my grandpa.”

Jason Freeman, 41, a personal trainer, boxer and martial arts fighter from Bradenton, Fla., said he would like to arrange for Manson’s cremation in California and then bring his ashes home with him.

“Until I can make a rational decision about what to do next, I’d just like to have my grandfather’s remains sitting there with me,” Freeman said. “I’ll be in California as soon as I can.”

Manson, convicted of a series of horrific 1969 slayings in Los Angeles committed by him and his “family” of followers, died of natural causes Sunday in a Kern County hospital. He lived the last 48 years of his life behind bars.

Cult leader Charles Manson died at age 83 of natural causes. Now the question is: What will be of Manson's remains? According to state law Manson's relatives have 10 days to claim his body. If his next of kin declines... prison officials make the final decision.

Freeman said he has been working with an attorney on the procedures he will need to follow to claim Manson’s remains and possessions. He said he has not decided whether to hold a memorial service.

Under state law, a dead prisoner’s relatives have 10 days to claim the body before the state contracts with an undertaker to handle the remains. Freeman says he is aware of that and plans to fly to California well before the 10-day period is up next Wednesday.

He said he also hopes to take possession of Manson’s belongings, which might include crayon drawings and a series of small sculptures of scorpions and spiders that Manson was known to fashion from string and human hair.

“Dealing with the prison system, I have no anticipation of being able to retrieve any personal items,” Freeman said. “He’s had things stolen from him and had people trying to take advantage of him. But if I could, I would cherish his artwork. I would be excited to have it.”

Freeman, son of the late Charles Manson Jr.[who commited sucide back in the '90's], said he understands that the world feels differently about his grandfather than he does.

“The world doesn’t share the heart and compassion for my grandfather that the Lord has given me,” Freeman said. “It’s my way of looking at life.”

The professional fighter says he views the effort to claim his grandfather’s remains the way he views his martial arts and boxing matches.

“You take each battle one at a time, as it comes,” he said. “You don’t look ahead past that.”

State prison officials said the disposition of Manson’s remains was the responsibility of the Kern County coroner, who was unavailable for comment.

[MajGenl.Meade]

That joke was hard to stomach...

[Scooter]

Charles Manson’s grandson makes court plea to get body out of morgue

LOS ANGELES—The fight for the corpse of Charles Manson was thrown out of a Los Angeles court Friday, as another potential heir stepped into the case and the grandson of the cult leader made an emotional plea to a judge.

In a hearing to determine the venue for legal battles over Manson’s estate and the disposition of his remains, Jason Freeman, whose father was born by Manson’s first wife, echoed the frustration of several parties who have been trying to get control of the notorious criminal’s body since he died in November.

“My grandfather has been on ice over 60 days,” Freeman blurted in court as he choked up.

Judge David Cowan divided the two duelling Manson cases, deciding that litigation over the potentially lucrative estate should remain in Los Angeles because that’s where Manson was living when he was arrested and convicted in the murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others.

Cowan said the case over the remains, however, belongs in either in Kings County, Calif., where the cult leader was imprisoned, or Kern County, Calif., where he died at 83 in a Bakersfield hospital on Nov. 19. A hearing is already scheduled Wednesday in Bakersfield and the Kern County coroner, which has the body, requested the case be decided there.

Each of the parties that have come to court all have said they want to collect Manson’s body so he can be cremated or properly buried, though some have suggested others have less noble motives, such as selling cadaver photos or carving off Manson’s tattoos for sale or display.

Freeman, an oil worker and former pro mixed martial arts fighter, said he got to know Manson in the last eight years of his life through phone calls and letters. He said it was not an easy or smooth relationship and that Manson had urged him not to get involved in his affairs, but that he felt it was his mission.

“I’m here to claim my grandfather, have him cremated, spread his ashes and do the right thing,” Freeman said. “And put this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn’t have been blown up as big as it was for all these years, now that he’s passed (away), I want to help bury it.”

So far, three parties have staked claims in court to collect Manson’s body from the morgue and take control of any assets, which could include rights to any property he left behind, the commercial right to use his image or royalties to songs he wrote. Guns N’ Roses recorded a Manson song, “Look at Your Game, Girl,” and the Beach Boys, who Manson was acquainted with, recorded a variation of a tune he wrote.

Freeman is being challenged by Manson’s longtime pen pal, Michael Channels, who holds a will that names him as executor and sole beneficiary.

A lawyer for a purported son of Charles Manson appeared in court Friday for the first time and said he was representing Michael Brunner, whose mother was an early member of the infamous “Manson family.” Mary Brunner was in jail when Manson’s followers slaughtered Tate and friends, and a wealthy grocer and his wife, over two nights in August 1969.

Representatives for another alleged son, Matthew Lentz, who claims he was fathered by Manson during a Wisconsin orgy, have said he would appear in court, but he’s been a no-show at two hearings and has yet to file court papers. However, a will purportedly signed by Manson leaving everything to Lentz, his “one living child,” was filed with the Kern County coroner.

Attorneys for Freeman, Brunner and Kern County have all questioned the validity of the two wills.

Brunner’s lawyer, Daniel Mortensen, said Manson acknowledged his client as a son, but they didn’t have a close relationship. He said Brunner, a military veteran, would cremate the remains and dispose of them immediately in a dignified way “that does not appeal to culty people.”

“He wants to as quickly as possible end the circus,” Mortensen said. “He doesn’t want anything ghoulish to go on with the body.”

Maybe it's just me, but I can't imagine any amount of money or any other motivation that would be enough for me to publicly acknowledge that Charles Manson was my father or grandfather

[Jarlaxle]

Depends...if it meant royalties for a GnR song, maybe...

[RayThom]

Is it just me or do I smell a Weekend at Bernie's-like road trip in the making?

[Scooter]

Depends...if it meant royalties for a GnR song, maybe...

My understanding is that those royalties have been going towards paying a judgment won by children of Manson's victims.

[dales]

Grandson wins bizarre battle over body of Charles Manson

Brian Melley, Associated Press Updated 7:18 pm, Monday, March 12, 2018
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A grandson of cult leader Charles Manson won the bizarre California court battle Monday over the killer's body.

Kern County Superior Court Commissioner Alisa Knight ruled that Jason Freeman can retrieve Manson's remains, which have been on ice in the Bakersfield morgue since he died in November.

Freeman didn't immediately comment but previously said he would cremate and spread the ashes of Manson and put to rest "this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn't have been blown up as big as it was for all these years."

Manson died in a hospital in Bakersfield while serving a life sentence for orchestrating the 1969 killings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others. He was 83.

The fight over his corpse devolved into a circus of sorts with friends filing competing wills purportedly signed by the infamous inmate while kin began to come out of the woodwork to also stake a claim to the killer's body and an estate that could include lucrative rights to songs Manson wrote or to license his image and other material.

While the decision clears the way for Manson to be cremated or buried, the battle for the body foreshadows what lies ahead as the same competing camps wrestle for control of the estate.

The case in Kern County was brought by the coroner's office, which said it wanted to quickly resolve the matter because bodies were piling up at the morgue from the methamphetamine and opioid epidemics.

The three-way fight for the body was between Freeman, Michael Brunner, a man who said he was fathered by Manson, and Michael Channels, a pen pal who collected and sold Manson memorabilia and filed what he said was the cult leader's will.

The three all tried to cast doubt on the authenticity of the competing claims and Freeman largely won out because of deficiencies with the other petitions.

Knight said the will submitted by Channels was problematic, in part, because he was one of the two witnesses while also sole beneficiary. It was also ambiguous about what would be done with Manson's body other than for Channels to use his judgment as executor.

"All I wanted to do was take the dude's ashes and dump them in the desert where he wanted," said Channels, who said he was more upset that Freeman prevailed over Brunner, who he believes is Manson's legitimate son. "I'm irate. That Jason Freeman, he just pulled the wool over the whole system's eyes."

Brunner's mother was an early member of the so-called Manson family and he was fathered by the cult leader, according to his birth certificate, though it misspelled Manson's middle name. Knight said Brunner had shown evidence he was fathered by Manson, but he lost his right to be deemed an heir because he was adopted by his maternal grandparents.

Freeman, a former professional mixed martial arts fighter from Florida, is the son of the late Charles Manson Jr., who was the child of Manson and his first wife. Charles Manson Jr. changed his name to Charles Jay White and later killed himself.

Although some raised questions about whether Freeman was really Manson's grandson, Knight determined he was "the surviving competent adult next of kin."

Another purported son, Matthew Lentz, who claims he was fathered by Manson during a Wisconsin orgy, supported Brunner's petition. He is named as the sole beneficiary in a 2017 will that Manson apparently signed and sent to Ben Gurecki, another friend and memorabilia collector, who is named as executor.

Knight noted that the will did not appear to be properly executed and that Lentz forfeited his claims as an heir because he was also adopted.

Most of the people vying for the body have said they would cremate it, though Freeman's attorney balked at that suggestion when Deputy Kern County Counsel Bryan Walters suggested at hearing last week that the coroner could cremate the body and allow the parties to continue their court fight over the ashes.

Some adversaries have suggested others want to profit off the death by selling morbid photos of the corpse to tabloid publications.

To prevent photos of the body from being leaked, the coroner's office stored Manson's remains under a pseudonym and only two employees were told its true identity, Walters said.

Freeman has denied having a deal to sell photos of the body. A video online shows Freeman's son playing with a Manson puppet, complete with swastika on the forehead, and Freeman joking about stuffing the doll with Manson's ashes and taking him fishing.

Attorney Dale Kiken, who represents Freeman, dismissed the video as play and said his client is respectful and wants to have a final internment that doesn't keep ashes or pieces of Manson.

Kiken expects there to be a public ceremony, possibly documented by a film crew that has been following Freeman, in which Manson's ashes are scattered on a body of water.

"From a logical standpoint, there's a great benefit to a public scattering of his ashes, not just for finality for his relatives but to everyone affected by Mr. Manson," Kiken said.

[RayThom]

Freeman didn't immediately comment but previously said he would cremate and spread the ashes of Manson and put to rest "this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn't have been blown up as big as it was for all these years."

Cremate? Where's the money in that?

Two words... "freeze dried."

[Sue U]

Two words... "freeze dried."

Or "Lucite block."

[Lord Jim]

Charles Manson Jr. changed his name to Charles Jay White

Gee, I can't imagine why...

Who wouldn't want to go through life with the name, "Charles Manson Jr."

Based on this:

said he would cremate and spread the ashes of Manson and put to rest "this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn't have been blown up as big as it was for all these years.

It sounds like like Mr. Freeman has a good head on his shoulders; I'm glad he won the case.

Much better to finally consign this evil loser to the obscurity he deserves, then to use his remains as the center piece for some monetized shrine for sickos...

[Gob]

The world got one final glimpse of cult leader Charles Manson, whose body was put on display before he was finally cremated.

Manson's open casket viewing preceded his cremation, four months after his death, during a memorial service in Porterville, California on Saturday.

The funeral came a week after Manson's grandson Jason Freeman was granted the rights to his body following months of legal battles.

Freeman and a Manson follower spoke at the service, which was attended by 30 people, according to TMZ.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z5AIAJTSpj

[Big RR]

It's a miracle; death hasn't touched him at all, and he remains as in life. He is a candidate for sainthood.

all kidding aside, I agree with Jim and have a lot of respect for the grandson; cremating him and scattering the ashes (hopefully in a place no publicized) makes a lot of sense.

[RayThom]

Charlie looks so lifelike... as if he's just sleeping.

With our thoughts and prayers, the rest of his group will soon follow.

Sadly, with all the mass shooting since the Manson's "Helter Skelter" days it kind of makes "the family" look like amateurs.

"We're obviously killing more efficiently. But we're still killing." Robert Stephenson

[rubato]

Freeman didn't immediately comment but previously said he would cremate and spread the ashes of Manson and put to rest "this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn't have been blown up as big as it was for all these years."

Cremate? Where's the money in that?

Two words... "freeze dried."

jewelry, paper weights, desk sets, belt buckles, knife handles, sellem on the shopping channel, make a fortune! You could make an ad with a smiling Charlie saying "you want a piece of me?" and an array of shiny products containing his ashes. Or howzabout "the only products guaranteed to contain real evil" to sell to the goth set.

genius.

yrs,
rubato