Sexual Harassment

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:58 pm

I would rather see him removed from office or resign, but I wouldn't shed a tear if he died or was assassinated (hell, I'd even live with him on the half dollar if he was killed

).

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:57 pm

We can dream.

He looks so alive.

Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:44 pm

Guinevere wrote:No question the Dems are playing the long game here. It’s not just about Moore but about the 2018 midterms.

This tweet says it well: “Al Franken credibly accused of sexual harassment. Dems: Resign from the Senate!
Roy Moore credibly accused of child molestation. GOP: Welcome the the Senate!

We all now know which one is actually the party of values, and which is the party of power above all.”

Welcome to one of the several significant themes for Democrats for 2018.

Trouble is, I don't see this moral high ground having *ANY* effect *WHATSOEVER* on any Trump supporter, any Moore supporter, or any typical loyal Republican voter. Republicans at all levels of government will just use this as an excuse to say, "See, both sides do it! At least we're not stupid enough to admit guilt without a trial (or even an investigation) and unilaterally surrender any of our existing political power to those evil lib'ruls." Furthermore, his resigning after admitting he was wrong, and apologizing for it, just sends a signal to others who have done similar things in their past (or worse) that they should deny everything and apologize for nothing.

ETA: The Democrats ran the most qualified female candidate ever, and Trump ADMITTED—on tape!—to sexual misconduct...and 52% of white women STILL voted for him.

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:53 pm

Moore will be welcomed with open arms, not expelled.

If you're right about that, the morality aside, it would be a colossally stupid thing to do politically...

Even before these scandals broke, "Senator Moore" was already going to be a huge headache for the GOP in the midterms...(Only four Republican Senators had endorsed him after he was nominated before this vile stuff came out)

Now, if Moore wins the election, the GOP members of the Senate have been served up a perfect excuse to get rid of him (while still keeping the seat in Republican hands with an appointed Senator) on a silver platter...

(While helping to improve their standing with electorally essential suburban women in the bargain)

What's not to like?

As for Trump...

If a serious effort is made to expel Moore, I have no idea how hard he will fight for him, (all he cares about is having enough votes in the Senate to get "wins") but it really doesn't matter...

Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has almost no juice on Capitol Hill...(Hell, he couldn't even get the Freedom Caucus types to fall in line behind the original House version of the Healthcare Bill)

And McConnell and Trump don't have a perfect conversion of political interests...

McConnell is much more focused on the midterms, (and preserving his Majority Leader status) then Il Boobce...(and in addition to all the electoral problems not expelling Moore would create, Roy's also made very clear that he's gunning for McConnell personally...)

You don't have to "trust" Mitch to believe he will do what is clearly in his own best political interest...

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:34 pm

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, says the U.S. needs a "cultural revolution" to change the way women are treated, reiterating his call for the resignation of Sen. Al Franken, D-Minnesota, over new sexual misconduct allegations. He spoke about why he now believes Franken should step down on "CBS This Morning" on Thursday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-bernie ... -congress/

I get your point Bernie, but you may want to come up with a catch-phrase other than "cultural revolution"...

just sayin'...

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:59 am

I hate to tell you LJ, but only old fuddy duddies think in the box like that - the youngins aren’t immediately horrified by words that simply mean a revolution of change within a culture.

Joe Guy · Post by **Joe Guy** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:12 am

If anyone is a fuddy duddy, it's Bernie. He's trying to lead a women's lib movement. He's so old that he forgot he already went through that era.

Burning Petard · Post by **Burning Petard** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:43 am

Just what is a hostile work environment? I have been out of the work force (retired) for several years. Clearly to me, Kissing, ass/pussy grabbing, informing one that no BJ means no employment ,all constitute a hostile work environment. But It also seems to include visible Playboy centerfold on the wall of the maintenance shop. For me, a hostile work environment was when we knew 10% reduction in force was coming and Ass-kissing moved you further down the probable to be played off list than good work performance or skill set.

And what to think of this potential: Al Franken resigns, his state holds a special election to fill the vacancy, Al runs and is elected again.

snailgate.

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:48 am

BoSoxGal wrote:I hate to tell you LJ, but only old fuddy duddies think in the box like that - the younguns aren’t immediately horrified by words that simply mean a revolution of change within a culture.

Hey, I ain't no spring chicken, ya' know, but you describe "cultural revolution" exactly as I do. Regardless of the type of revolution, doesn't it always change the culture in some way?

datsunaholic · Post by **datsunaholic** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:05 am

Burning Petard wrote: But It also seems to include visible Playboy centerfold on the wall of the maintenance shop. .

When I joined the Navy in 1992, that was the policy. Even before my ship added women to the crew in 1994, that policy was enforced. No pinups, girly calendars, etc anywhere. It was even hinted at that possessing magazines of that sort in your own locker was forbidden, though that actually wasn't true. You could tell where the posters/pinups/centerfolds used to be inside locker/cabinet doors from the tape leftovers.

When I had my first "9 to 5" job in 1991 the shop I worked in wasn't that way, yet. Pinup calendars were common in the factory, especially in the shops. And the floor manager didn't seem to mind- then again, she'd worked with guys for decades and was just as foul as any of them. No one toned down the shop talk on her behalf. They DID tone it down on my boss's behalf, as the lab manager was also a woman (and also a grandmother). And around me, since they didn't want to corrupt the 17 year old kid that much.

Back to the Navy- we had weeklong training on sexual harassment and tolerance. Then the women showed up and were worse than we were. Guys might brag, women gossip. In detail. I walked in on so many conversations...

Movie nights in the shop got rather interesting halfway through out 6 month deployment. We had a total of TWO tapes... Days of Thunder and Dazed and Confused. Or we could watch whatever sanitized movie was shown on the ships broadcast. Then someone in the shop "borrowed" some tapes. One night i had to finish typing up evals so I went to the shop after supper. Doors were shut and barred from the inside, but I could hear the TV was on. Knocked, the door was cracked open. They let me in- probably 20 people from my division, including 3 of the women, were crowded into the shop watching pornos on the VCR. It is not easy to type evals when "White Men Can't Hump" is playing on the shop TV.

Anyhow, back to the subject, pinups on shop walls does not make for an inviting work environment for women. It's a reminder of how much leering women get every day. I'm no saint when it comes to that either. I mean, I went to a Metal concert on Halloween, but the bands weren't the only show going on.

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:56 am

I think instead of a cultural revolution, what we really need is a great leap forward...

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:41 pm

Listen, if the GOP can recycle 'Make America Great Again', we can recycle anything!

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:50 pm

As to this sexual harassment thing, it seems to me it should be as simple as - if you wouldn't say it, do it, or show it to your mother or your grandmother, then it's inappropriate to say, do or show to a female coworker.

But there are some very twisted people out there, so I guess that's not a workable standard.

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:42 pm

This probably deserves its own thread, but certainly fits here:

Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 12, 2017

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:04 pm

The Revolution 'Will' Be Televised

http://babylonbee.com/news/sexual-revol ... -perverts/

Bicycle Bill · Post by **Bicycle Bill** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:23 am

-"BB"-

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:59 am

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:10 pm

I was thinking, perhaps we can change it from "cultural revolution" to "paradigm shift" or, even worse, "sea change"?

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:47 pm

How about "seismic shift" or "game change"...

Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:02 pm

“BABY IT’S COLD OUTSIDE
(DECEMBER 2017 VERSION)”
by MARK MARION

TITLE CARD: “BABY IT’S COLD OUTSIDE”
SUPERIMPOSE: “(DECEMBER 2017)”

INT. MODEST APARTMENT – NIGHT
MAN sits on couch next to WOMAN both looking a bit anxious. Intro bars of “Baby It’s Cold Outside” begin to play.

WOMAN: (singing; a bit coy) “I really can’t stay…”

Music stops abruptly. Man stands up and begins walking to coat rack.

MAN: OK, I hear what you are saying and fully respect your decision.

WOMAN: (surprised) Oh…

MAN: While there was no intention to initiate any sexual behavior, I understand that even without you saying the word “no” your lack of consent is implied for any possible “chill” following our “Netflix.”

WOMAN: Well…

MAN: May I please assist you with your coat, not to suggest that you are not fully capable of putting it on yourself, but only to avoid that awkward struggle of getting the second arm through the sleeve especially when you are wearing a chunky sweater.

WOMAN: Ah, sure…

MAN: As you place your arm in the sleeve, please be aware that I will ensure, to the best of my ability, no incidental physical contact or placing either of us in any sexually suggestive position.

WOMAN: It’s really not…

MAN: I am sending you a text that contains a brief summary of our conversation and ask that you please reply with acknowledgement that you concur with the accuracy of this summary or provide any additional information that more clearly represents your perspective of the situation.

Woman’s cell phone chimes and she pulls it from coat pocket.

WOMAN: Ok…

MAN: Thank you, and just in case I gain any modicum of public recognition in the future and there is any question about the course of events this evening, could we please get a “thumbs-up” selfie to further indicate a mutual understanding of this moment? We can do a wide shot so there is clearly some space between us.

They pose for the picture both with thumbs up. Woman looks thoroughly confused.

WOMAN: This seems a bit much.

Man opens the front door.

MAN: Well, we can never be too safe, right? Thank you so much for a lovely evening. Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas or Happy Channukah or have a great night, whichever is least offensive to you.

WOMAN: Sure, you, too.

Woman steps outside. Man closes door.

MAN: (to himself with a little shiver): Ooh baby, it’s cold outside!

(source)

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