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The McCabe Firing...

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Ex-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is fired -- and fires back

(CNN)Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe late Friday, less than two days shy of his retirement, ending the career of an official who had risen to serve as second-in-command at the bureau.

McCabe had more recently been regularly taunted by President Donald Trump and besieged by accusations that he had misled internal investigators at the Justice Department.

In a blistering statement Friday night, McCabe said his firing is part of a larger effort to discredit the FBI and the special counsel's investigation.

"This attack on my credibility is one part of a larger effort not just to slander me personally, but to taint the FBI, law enforcement, and intelligence professionals more generally," McCabe said. "It is part of this Administration's ongoing war on the FBI and the efforts of the Special Counsel investigation, which continue to this day. Their persistence in this campaign only highlights the importance of the Special Counsel's work."

Shortly after midnight, Trump tweeted.

"Andrew McCabe FIRED, a great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI - A great day for Democracy," Trump said. "Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss and made McCabe look like a choirboy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI!"

McCabe had been expected to retire this Sunday, on his 50th birthday, when he would have become eligible to receive early retirement benefits.

But Friday's termination could place a portion of his anticipated pension, earned after more than two decades of service, in significant jeopardy.

The origin of his dramatic fall stems from an internal review conducted by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz. That report -- the details of which have not been publicly released -- is said to conclude that McCabe misled investigators about his role in directing other officials at the FBI to speak to The Wall Street Journal about his involvement in a public corruption investigation into the Clinton Foundation, according to a source briefed on it.

CNN reported on Wednesday that the findings in Horowitz's report on McCabe were referred to the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility, staffed with career officials, who recommended McCabe's termination.


McCabe, accompanied by his lawyer, tried making a last-ditch effort Thursday to avoid the firing, meeting with officials at the deputy attorney general's office at the Justice Department for several hours while Sessions was traveling, but to no avail.

"After an extensive and fair investigation and according to Department of Justice procedure, the Department's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) provided its report on allegations of misconduct by Andrew McCabe to the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)," Sessions said in a statement late Friday.

"The FBI's OPR then reviewed the report and underlying documents and issued a disciplinary proposal recommending the dismissal of Mr. McCabe. Both the OIG and FBI OPR reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor − including under oath − on multiple occasions."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics ... index.html

First of all this obviously plays into Il Boobce's hands, giving him another diversion flag to wave, and it's absolutely nauseating to see him crowing about it and using it as an opportunity to launch yet another vile and groundless smear on James Comey...

And it is of course indisputable that Trump and his minions are, as McCabe states, engaged in an ongoing "war on the FBI and the efforts of the Special Counsel investigation"...

And as a rock-solid supporter of an early end to the Trump Presidency, no one would be happier than I would to be able to point to this dismissal as yet another example of this on going war....

However, because of the way this decision came about, I just can't do it...

All Sessions did here, was accept the recommendation made by the Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, (The same Obama-appointed IG who told Sessions he needed to recuse himself from the Russiagate investigation; the same official whose integrity was publicly assailed just two weeks ago by Trump, who called him "Obama's guy") after he and his staff had conducted a thorough and professional investigation.

That's the way a process like this should work. The details of his investigation have not yet been made public, but there is zero reason to believe (and plenty of evidence to the contrary) that Horowitz is a person who would be a part of Trump's on-going obstruction and diversion efforts. Until and unless there is any evidence to say otherwise, I am going to assume that Horowitz made his recommendation based on an honest and professional evaluation of the facts and the relevant code of conduct rules and the law.

And while it's extremely unfortunate that this particular situation has resulted in a momentary propaganda benefit for Trump, frankly I am much more comfortable with Sessions having a practice of accepting the recommendations of IG Horowitz, then I would be to have him rejecting them.

I'm pretty confident that a lot more of these recommendations will go against Trump's interests than will serve them.
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What has happened so far is that Comey was terminated on Rosenstein's recommendation. Wray relieved McCabe for something that wasn't made public other than the ambiguous Wray was made privy to something he didn't know and now the FBI office responsible for professionalism and supposedly ethics has recommended that McCabe be fired. McCabe still gets his pension, That will happen later instead of immediately since he was not allowed to complete twenty years of service.

Wray seems to be above the fracas after issued reassuring memos to lower echelons in the FBI. I give him credit for admitting the FBI's failure/s related to the Florida school shooting. So far Wray as a newcomer seems to be performing in non-coverup mode.

We also know that at least one other within the FBI other was removed from an area of responsibility.

Based on events so far, Sessions seems to be making evidence based decisions as is Wray.

So far, so good!
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Comey was terminated on Rosenstein's recommendation.
Darren, that cover story blew up within 48 hours of when it was issued. (Blown up by Trump himself)
Asked by Holt about the White House’s initial story that he fired Comey because of a recommendation by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, Trump said, “I was gonna fire him regardless of the recommendation.”

In explaining how he made up his mind, the president directly brought up the Russia case, calling it a “made-up story”:
He [Rosenstein] made a recommendation, he’s highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. The Democrats like him, the Republicans like him. He made a recommendation. But regardless of [the] recommendation, I was going to fire Comey. Knowing there was no good time to do it!

And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story,
it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”
Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He admitted it on national television.

And the day before this public confession to obstruction of justice, he bragged in the Oval Office to the Russian Foreign Minister and the Russian ambassador to the US about how the firing would take "great pressure" off of him:
WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
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The point is no matter what Trump wanted to do he's apparently learned that he can't run the government like one of his businesses or a reality show. There has to be a justifiable reason. There were reasons for the actions taken with McCabe and Storzk.

Note that as much as Trump has issues with Mueller, Mueller is still operating with a free hand. Whether the IG report has anything actionable on the Comey-Mueller relationship and their previous actions, especially Mueller when he headed the FBI, remains to be seen.
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Very nicely said, Lord Jim.

IMNSHO, the statements from POTUS are just spin. Does POTUS even have the power to fire the guy? Perhaps (I don't really know) if the director of the feebs serves at the pleasure of the president, but removing him from that position is not the same as firing him. The traditional action in the feeb culture is to transfer him to Alaska. Same with McMaster on the Security Council. If POTUS 'fires' him, he will simply return to the Pentagon as an active duty 3-star general.

And by the by, once upon a time the equivalent in the Secret Service was to be assigned to guard President Truman's widow who lived in seclusion
in an old mansion on a side street in Independence Missouri. She spent nearly all her time in the house and the guards stayed in the kitchen playing cards, nearly bored to tears.

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Burning Petard wrote:Very nicely said, Lord Jim.

IMNSHO, the statements from POTUS are just spin. Does POTUS even have the power to fire the guy? Perhaps (I don't really know) if the director of the feebs serves at the pleasure of the president, but removing him from that position is not the same as firing him. The traditional action in the feeb culture is to transfer him to Alaska. Same with McMaster on the Security Council. If POTUS 'fires' him, he will simply return to the Pentagon as an active duty 3-star general.

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Like other presidents, Trump is realizing that getting elected doesn't give him a magic wand to effect change. There's that little issue of Senate approval and of course the microscopic examination by the media that prevents slash and burn tactics. His personal staff still needs to meet whatever qualifications he deems necessary. They serve at his pleasure.
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Yes, but . . .

I don't know what the evidence is that he was less than candid in an interview; and if in fact he was he should face the consequences. Whether those consequences should include loss of pension (how much? 10%? 20%? 90%???) I don't know.

But to see the crowing from POTUS (his tweet this morning: Andrew McCabe FIRED, a great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI - A great day for Democracy. Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss and made McCabe look like a choirboy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI!) is just disgusting. This is a man who has been less than candid with the American people and foreign leaders 2000+ times (I am sure we have all lost count). If McCabe did in fact lie (or show 'lack of candor' as Sessions (!!! how fucked up is that? Sessions, who during his confirmation hearings thought it best not to mention his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, accusing someone else of being economical with the truth) out it there should be some sort of due process at which he can argue the merits of the accusations. Like so much else in the last 14 month, this is beyond belief.

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I'm waiting for the IG's report. So far I haven't read anything to sully Horowitz. He was appointed by Obama and Sessions has seen fit to leave him in his post. As for Trump, he's still not a politician. He's someone who has done well at marketing and may be continuing to excel. That you're discomforted by his constant engagement with the public and media even when at odds, matters not. Again Trump is not a politician. Right or wrong the man's going to run his mouth. That's what sales people do.

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I heard a report a little while ago (MSNBC) that said the FBI had fired 19 FBI agents just in the past year for lying (or "not being completely candid") when being questioned by Bureau investigators...

Any attempt to be deceptive at all with investigators is considered a firing offense...

One was fired for not being completely truthful about the number of times he had used his FBI vehicle to drop his daughter off at school...

That may seem kind of harsh and excessive to the average person, but you have to keep in mind that the FBI is an agency that has (and uses) the power to have other people who lie to its investigators face serious jail time...

Given the fact that the FBI is entrusted with that sort of power over the rest of the citizenry, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they would have pretty much a "zero tolerance policy" when it comes to their own employees being "less than candid" with their investigators...
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Lord Jim wrote:
Given the fact that the FBI is entrusted with that sort of power over the rest of the citizenry, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they would have pretty much a "zero tolerance policy" when it comes to their own employees being "less than candid" with their investigators...
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I look at it this way. Suppose you had a state trooper stationed on the Interstate who regularly stopped and ticketed 50 drivers a day for speeding. Suppose that traffic surveys showed that routinely 100 drivers a day gassed it through his patch - you might think - 50%; that's not bad, the guy is doing his job, well done. But suppose you also found that 90% of the drivers he ticketed were black while only 50% of the drivers who sped along that portion of the highway were black. I think that would be prima facie evidence that the guy was not doing his job but in fact racially harassing drivers.

Given the track record of this administration I will believe the worst before I believe the best.

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From my POV your imaginary example is irrelevant. What is relevant is integrity. We're seeing examples of lapses of integrity in the upper echelons of the FBI. If so that's extremely bad. Leadership is first to be above reproach.
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Darren wrote:We're seeing examples of lapses of integrity in the upper echelons of the FBI.
Can you quote some of these examples please? 19 agents found guilty of lying about using their FBI vehicles to drop their kids off. I'm not excusing that: they should be punished but it is hardly 'lack of integrity in the upper echelons'.

OK I'll give you J Edgar. You win that one.

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Darren wrote:"...

Like other presidents, Trump is realizing that getting elected doesn't give him a magic wand to effect change. There's that little issue of Senate approval and of course the microscopic examination by the media that prevents slash and burn tactics. His personal staff still needs to meet whatever qualifications he deems necessary. They serve at his pleasure.

Unlike other presidents he didn't know that before he ran for office. His lack of basic knowledge about how government actually works is vast but greater still are his attempts to rule by fiat.

Do we know that the FBI recommended firing? Or do we just have Jeff Sessions always unreliable word for it? And if he gets fired for dissembling what about Session telling lies to congress?


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rubato wrote:
Darren wrote:"...

Like other presidents, Trump is realizing that getting elected doesn't give him a magic wand to effect change. There's that little issue of Senate approval and of course the microscopic examination by the media that prevents slash and burn tactics. His personal staff still needs to meet whatever qualifications he deems necessary. They serve at his pleasure.

Unlike other presidents he didn't know that before he ran for office. His lack of basic knowledge about how government actually works is vast but greater still are his attempts to rule by fiat.

Do we know that the FBI recommended firing? Or do we just have Jeff Sessions always unreliable word for it? And if he gets fired for dissembling what about Session telling lies to congress?

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" "Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department's senior career official ..."

As far as presidents, IMO only LBJ knew what he was getting into when elected.
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As far as presidents, IMO only LBJ knew what he was getting into when elected.

But all of them other than Trump understood that authoritarian powers were not reserved to the president. All of them. All of them, other than Trump, understood something about the balance of powers, about the need to persuade.

Trump is uniquely unqualified to be president or to hold any political office at all. He is stupid. Claiming that Mexico would pay for the wall and then having a series of hissy-fits when they said "hell no" is as clear a proof of political stupidity as it is possible to adduce. Only stupid and amoral people voted for him.


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" "Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department's senior career official ..."
Are you quoting the Inspector General or Jeff (What I Say!) Sessions???

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rubato wrote:
" "Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department's senior career official ..."
Are you quoting the Inspector General or Jeff (What I Say!) Sessions???

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As reported by ABC:

"In his statement Sessions said: "After an extensive and fair investigation and according to Department of Justice procedure, the Department’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG) provided its report on allegations of misconduct by Andrew McCabe to the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)."

"The FBI’s OPR then reviewed the report and underlying documents and issued a disciplinary proposal recommending the dismissal of Mr. McCabe. Both the OIG and FBI OPR reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor -- including under oath -- on multiple occasions," the statement continued.

"The FBI expects every employee to adhere to the highest standards of honesty, integrity, and accountability. As the OPR proposal stated, “all FBI employees know that lacking candor under oath results in dismissal and that our integrity is our brand,” Sessions said.

"Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately," the Sessions statement said."

IOW, McCabe lied and leaked to the press.
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The movie will be sensational

McCabe and Mr Mueller
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:The movie will be sensational

McCabe and Mr Mueller
:lol: :lol: :lol:
GAH!

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