And Kennedy decides to fuck us all

[wesw]

she means ALL men, BB.

she hates men.

[wesw]

either way, he should be able to face his accuser.

you can t just make these accusations and cry fragility to avoid being questioned.

women have been known to lie, as have men.

[wesw]

....and , if this had really happened, her whole set of friends would have been told at the time.

schoolgirls talk, lord do they ever talk....

if she had been raped, perhaps she would have kept silent because of shame....


....but an awkward drunken groping would have been told to friends.

logically anyway.

fishy.

[Big RR]

So then I guess you would not object to holding off on the vote for a few weeks to allow the FBI and/ot tyer investigators to talk to those and other persons who might have some knowledge of what occurred and could corroborate or challenge her account of events? I'd like to see that, but the freight train that is Trump and he republicans want to run full speed ahead. As Americans, we deserve better.

[wesw]

nah, I want a public hearing now.

let all who have knowledge appear publicly.

the FBI has lost my confidence.

thank J Edgar Comey, et al, for that.

[Big RR]

I see no point in a public hearing until the evidence is uncovered and looked at. If you don't want the FBI to do it let the Committee use investigators. but this is important enough to have a full investigation, IMHO. There's no rush, let's get the decision right.

[RayThom]

And let's not forget to add DJTJr's two cents into the mix.

[BoSoxGal]

Loathsome POS - just like dear old daddy!

[wesw]

I do.

let everyone state their story, under oath.

THEN, the FBI may have something to investigate.

also I just learned that ALL of her social media was scrubbed before this came out.

fishy.

seems like a hit job to me.

the kind of thing that makes one scratch one s nose.......

[wesw]

sunlight IS the best disinfectant

[Big RR]

Perhaps, but a bunch of unprepared senators questioning people about a possible crime when they have little to no idea of what may have occurred and what can be proven or supported is pretty silly. It is a ridiculous way to get at the truth. and it provides no basis upon which to vote to confirm or not.

[RayThom]

And then there's this.

[wesw]

most of the senators are lawyers

many were prsecutors or JAG officers.

if they do a bad job that is their and our faults.

the senators may or may not be ridiculous.

that is their decision, and seeing that, and voting accordingly is OUR decision.

it may be silly, they may be unprepared.

if they wish to be otherwise they have that option as well.

they may or may not subpoena records and or people.

they have that option.

if we chose silly ridiculous or unprepared people, that is our fault.

enough secret shit already.

c'mon , man...., enough secret shit.


we are the people and we are the govt, right?

let the light shine on this, for OUR benefit.

[Lord Jim]

if we chose silly ridiculous or unprepared people, that is our fault.

At long last...

Nice to see you taking some personal responsibility for your choice...

[Lord Jim]

And let's not forget to add DJTJr's two cents into the mix.

I see Junior inherited his father's rapier wit...

He'll have 'em rolling in the aisles on Talent Show Night at Allenwood...

[Big RR]

wes--but don't forget, if they have a problem, even if we vote them out, we may be stuck with their decision for a very long time after that election. Which is why the constitution charges them with advice and consent on important appointments, especially to the Supreme Court. all I am saying is let's take the time necessary to make a proper decision. but I bet they won't, and that is a damn shame.

Jim--that note is low, even for Trump. But then the man has no sense of decency at all.

[wesw]

...and the constitution also provides the remedy of impeachment.

if this hearing , Monday, provides reason to dig further, they have that opportunity as well.

let them speak under oath, and then all options are still open.

by the way, I ve enjoyed having this reasonable discussion with you you.

the absence of anger , insult, and rudeness is refreshing.

also, taking the time necessary...., well that could also be seen as delaying in the hope of a democrat senate after the election.

either way, I want it all to be public

[Big RR]

A switch to democratic in the senate is immaterial; it is the duty of each senator to ferret out whether Kavanaugh is qualified by all criteria to be on the Supreme Court. If the Trump administration didn't properly vet him and this is coming up late, too bad. If it takes months to properly investigate this, fine. But this is not and should not be politics; advise and consent is an important limitation on the appointment power of the executive, and it should not be squandered, nor should politics excuse the senators from that obligation. Right now all I see is a push by the majority republicans on the committee to push the nomination ahead without proper investigation--hopefully the full senate will not follow suit and will demand a full investigation. Face it, even if the majority party in the senate changes in November, and even if Kavanaugh is not confirmed (or removes himself from consideration), Trump will still appoint the next justice.

[BoSoxGal]

I am sharing this excellent piece here because it’s a perspective that I think some folks fail to grasp.

If there is one thing I learned from my time in the criminal justice system, it’s that ANYBODY is capable of ANYTHING - as Billy Joel put it, we all wear masks. Some just hide darker things than others do.

Can men be nice to some women and rape others? Of course | Arwa Mahdawi

Arwa MahdawiTue 18 Sep 2018 14.08 EDT
Following allegations against US supreme court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, two ex-girlfriends came out in his defense. But there is a problem in the logic at play

I hate to state the obvious, but apparently it needs to be done. Just because someone has never sexually assaulted you, it doesn’t mean they’ve never sexually assaulted someone else. Just because someone has been nice to you, it doesn’t mean they’ve acted the same way with everyone else in their life.

It’s not really a difficult concept to get your head around, is it? And yet, every time a man is publicly accused of sexual assault, the accusations are swiftly followed by a chorus of incredulous female friends, swearing the guy in question had always been angelic to them. “He’s a nice guy really. He’s one of my best friends. He’s always been a perfect gentleman. He would never do that.”

Last week, following allegations that supreme court nominee Brett Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted a girl while he was a teenager, 65 women who knew Kavanaugh in high school testified to his character. I could not even name 65 people from my high school so this is quite a feat. Nevertheless, Kavanaugh did not stop there.

On Monday, after Christine Blasey Ford, Kavanaugh’s accuser, was named, two of Kavanaugh’s ex-girlfriends vouched for the judge. “He always conducted himself honorably with me at all times when we were together,” Maura Fitzgerald, who dated the nominee in college, said. Maura Kane, who dated Kavanaugh in high school, said that in every situation where the two were together he was “always respectful, kind and thoughtful”.

I have no idea what Kavanaugh’s previous relationships were like, but I do know that there is no such thing as a two-Maura defence. Being “respectful, kind and thoughtful” to one person doesn’t immediately preclude you from having assaulted someone else.

Having said that, it’s also important to acknowledge how difficult it is to accept that a man close to you is capable of sexual assault. Not least because we live in a world in which we are constantly told that women are hysterical and men are rational. And we all internalize this idea to some extent, even if we are feminists. That is, after all, what patriarchy does; it pits women against women.

Just look at the example of Lena Dunham, for example. Last year Dunham defended Murray Miller, a writer on her HBO show Girls, after he was accused of sexual assault. Along with Girls’ executive producer Jenni Konner, Dunham released a letter saying: “Our insider knowledge of Murray’s situation makes us confident that sadly this accusation is one of the 3% of assault cases that are misreported every year.”

As was swiftly pointed out, Dunham’s statement (which she later apologized for), rather went against Dunham’s previous statements about always believing victims. Only a couple of months before, for example, she’d tweeted: “Things women do lie about: what they ate for lunch. Things women don’t lie about: rape.”

Another reason it can be so hard to accept that a man close to you, a man that has been nice to you, is capable of sexual assault, is because we live in a world in which many forms of male predatory behavior are normalized. Something as serious as sexual assault or rape, we are constantly told, should not be confused with something as silly as “youthful indiscretion”. It should not be confused with what one of Kavanaugh’s (female) supporters has described as “rough horseplay”.

Take, for example, Brock Turner, the Stanford swimmer who was convicted of assaulting an unconscious woman behind a dumpster in 2016. At the time, Leslie Rasmussen, a childhood friend of Turner, wrote a letter to the judge, arguing that Turner wasn’t a rapist. “This is completely different from a woman getting kidnapped and raped as she is walking to her car in a parking lot,” she stated. “That is a rapist. These are not rapists. These are idiot boys and girls having too much to drink and not being aware of their surroundings and having clouded judgement.”

Despite the fact that the vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults are committed by people the victim knows, Rasmussen’s view of rapists as monsters who jump out at you from the shadows, is pervasive. One of the most powerful things about the #MeToo movement is that it is making it harder to hold on to that illusion. As more and more stories of supposedly good guys acting badly come out, it is getting harder pretend that sexual assault is something only monsters do.

[wesw]

she ain t showing up.

publicly or privately, she ain t coming.

she lost me.....

confirm.