sedition, history will say.....

[wesw]

they will remember trump as an ass, and his resistance as seditious...., as enemies of liberty..., as fascist.

liberty is not pretty and liberty is not tame.

liberty and free thought and free will are good.

the doj and the dem establishment and obamites are enemies of the above, of The People.

old abe had it right, you can t fool everyone all the time.

your only hope is coup de tat , Have you the balls?

this one is for you jim..., and meade..., and guin...., and RR..., and MG...., and Andy...., and gob..... and others.....

[Bicycle Bill]

your only hope is coup de tat

coup de tat = 'cut of the skin art'?

I think you meant "coup d'état" (actually, I know that's what you meant, but I couldn't resist taking a free shot at your atrocious spelling and egregious misuse of the language), and according to Wikipedia it means "an illegal and overt seizure of a state by the military or other elites..."    By that definition we've already had one, courtesy of Dumb'old Trump, his confederates, and his puppetmasters.

-"BB"-

[Lord Jim]

Wes should be very simpatico with immigrants, since the OP shows he must be an ESL fella himself...

Apparently he doesn't know what the words "liberty" "fascist" or "seditious" mean...(maybe they haven't covered those in his English language night school class yet...)

On the plus side, he does seem to understand what an "ass" is...

While we're on the topic of "seditious' and "sedition" (an accusation wes is fond of tossing out with ease despite his bizarre and laughable claim to be a big supporter of the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights)...

Wes, you've had this explained to you before (twice):

There actually is a law against sedition in the US criminal code, but it has no where near the breadth of applicability that Free Press Hatin' Wes wishes it did. Quite the opposite; because of of our 1st Amendment protections, its scope is very narrowly defined:

Seditious speech is speech directed at the overthrow of government. It includes speech attacking basic institutions of government, including particular governmental leaders.[1] Its criminalization dates back at least as far as the Alien and Sedition Act.

According to John Cohan, "A delicate line can be crossed, whereby lawful criticism of government may become seditious speech, where associating with others in robust criticism of government may become subversive activities punishable by law".[2] The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an "imminent" threat.[3]

During World War II, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt pressured Francis Biddle to prosecute seditionists, but Biddle declined, believing it to be unwise.[4] Today's anti-war activists are not prosecuted for seditious speech.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious ... ted_States

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It just don't seem to be sinkin' in...

If for some reason that's just too complicated for you to understand it in English wes, have someone translate it for you into your native language...

[ex-khobar Andy]

they will remember trump as an ass, and his resistance as seditious...., as enemies of liberty..., as fascist.

Again wes, you occasionally display insight.

Yes, history will remember Trump as an ass. Most of us think that even without the benefit of the historians, many of them yet unborn, who will write of this time.

His resistance to the established order (you see, I'm a conservative really - I believe in the well established principles of evidence-based causal determinism) is indeed seditious. Wikipedia (which is always right) has it that "Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against established authority." I think Trump fits that nicely.

Enemy of liberty (I assume you are not referring to our own, home grown, eponymous hero) - again, you're right about Trump and his buddies Putin, Duterte, MBS, Kim Jong Un and their ilk.

Fascist: well again I will quote Wikipedia. "Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy." Trump is the poster child for that definition, word by word.

Once again wes, you've hit the nail on the head.

[wesw]

hmmmmm......

I didn t express myself very clearly, did I?

good one , andy.

you got me.

you would agree that the Antifa group are really the exact thing that they claim to hate, fascists, no?

[Burning Petard]

I find there is much to admire about the people who live in the Eastern Shore or the lower Delmarva Peninsula. But they also have characteristics that leads to the slam around here, 'above the canal' (the ancient canal connecting Delaware Bay and the Chesapeake Bay) calling them 'slower Delaware.'

A very popular and financially successful American writer (author of 'Tales of the South Pacific' and 'Chesapeake' for examples) spent alot of time in the area. He had a home in Bucks County PA. His works generally were accepted as a reflection of the better traits of America. That was one of the reasons they sold so well to Americans at that time.

He had something to say about the viewpoint similar to WESW many years ago, quoted on line at: http://www.commongoodblog.com/uncategor ... d-liberal/ James Michener proudly claimed to be a liberal and a humanist as these labels became curses in much American discourse. He proudly calls himself a knee-jerk liberal, ". . . . . . when I learn that all the universities in Texas combined graduated two future teachers qualified to teach calculus but more than five hundred trained to coach football, my knee jerks."

Me, I hark back to Mark Twain and his War Prayer: https://warprayer.org

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[BoSoxGal]

I read quite a bit of James Michener when I was young - including Chesapeake - but I never knew much about him. I’ll have to take a look at his memoir, he sounds fascinating and admirable.

[wesw]

Michener is kinda like a poor man s Tolstoy, in my opinion.

when they are good they are great, but Tolstoy tedium had a purpose. when he delved into the melodramatic tedium of court life, he had a point to make, his portrayal was accurate, it was all tedium and pro forma etiquette...., and intrigue....

Michener was just boring when he was boring, just kinda indulging in wordiness.....

that s what I think anyway, take it for what it is worth...., my opiion and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.....

[Lord Jim]

my opiion and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.....

Not a very good cup of coffee...

At least not around here...

(But then I suspect things are probably cheaper in Bug Tussle... )

[ex-khobar Andy]

Michener is kinda like a poor man s Tolstoy, in my opinion.

when they are good they are great, but Tolstoy tedium had a purpose. when he delved into the melodramatic tedium of court life, he had a point to make, his portrayal was accurate, it was all tedium and pro forma etiquette...., and intrigue....

Michener was just boring when he was boring, just kinda indulging in wordiness.....

that s what I think anyway, take it for what it is worth...., my opiion and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.....

I haven't read enough Tolstoy to have a useful opinion, but I share your view of Michener. He never used one word where he could find three to do the job: I suspect that, like Franklin W Dixon, he was paid by the word.

[BoSoxGal]

I found his books fascinating, but then I was a nerdy bookwormy kid who read a bunch of Dickens just for fun in high school so wordy wasn’t really an issue for me.

Chesapeake was the first Michener I read and when I lived in the area for law school I was so glad to have been so well educated in the history of the places.

I might need to put Michener on my library list for the next visit . . .

[Bicycle Bill]

Michener is kinda like a poor man s Tolstoy, in my opinion.

when they are good they are great, but Tolstoy tedium had a purpose. when he delved into the melodramatic tedium of court life, he had a point to make, his portrayal was accurate, it was all tedium and pro forma etiquette...., and intrigue....

Michener was just boring when he was boring, just kinda indulging in wordiness.....

that s what I think anyway, take it for what it is worth...., my opiion and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.....

I haven't read enough Tolstoy to have a useful opinion, but I share your view of Michener. He never used one word where he could find three to do the job: I suspect that, like Franklin W Dixon, he was paid by the word.

Ahh, yes ... Franklin W. Dixon, the nom de plume of the cadre of ghost-writers who produced the original 'Hardy Boys' mystery series and — in a rare early example of gender equality — the adventures of the female teen-aged sleuth, Nancy Drew (using the pseudonym of Carolyn Keene) for the Stratemeyer Syndicate — one of the first publishing groups to realize the vast untapped wealth that was to be found in publishing books targeted to children.

In addition, many of these same unsung word-slingers were also published under the moniker of Laura Lee Hope, the 'creator' of the Bobbsey Twins.

And I am not in the least bit ashamed to admit that during the first decade or so of my existence, I acquired a fairly comprehensive collection of all three series.

-"BB"-

[ex-khobar Andy]

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In addition, many of these same unsung word-slingers were also published under the moniker of Laura Lee Hope, the 'creator' of the Bobbsey Twins.

And I am not in the least bit ashamed to admit that during the first decade or so of my existence, I acquired a fairly comprehensive collection of all three series.

-"BB"-

And Tom Swift. Don't forget Tom Swift. He invented the Taser.

Jack Cover, a NASA researcher, began developing the Taser in 1969. By 1974, Cover had completed the device, which he named after a book featuring his childhood hero Tom Swift, Tom Swift and His Electric Rifle, by "Victor Appleton" (a house pseudonym of the Stratemeyer Syndicate).

(Quote from Wikipedia, my underlining added.)

It's quite possible that my career in science was due to Tom Swift. When I was seven I wanted to be a Presbyterian minister. Luckily for me (and the Presbyterians) I found Tom Swift.

[BoSoxGal]

I missed those but was a huge fan of the Trixie Belden series which was the same kind of deal.

[Burning Petard]

The James Patterson books of today sure smell to me of a factory output.

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