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Remember the Rotherham scandal? Oh, not forgetting the discussion we had on Buckingham..

Well now, Huddersfield has joined in...
Twenty members of a “vile and wicked” grooming gang have been convicted of trafficking, drugging and raping vulnerable girls in a harrowing campaign of abuse across West Yorkshire.

It can now be reported that the ringleader of the group, 35-year-old Amere Singh Dhaliwal, was jailed for life to serve a minimum of 18 years after being found guilty of 54 offences, including countless rapes of children.

Judge Geoffrey Marson QC said the crimes against 15 girls far exceeded anything he had previously seen. The gang’s “persistent and prolonged” offending, he said, was “at the top of the scale” of severity.

Jurors in the three trials heard how the men, mostly from Huddersfield, plied girls as young as 11 with alcohol and drugs before sexually abusing them in car parks, hotels, takeaways, snooker halls, on moors and by reservoirs across the region.

Fifteen severely vulnerable girls fell victim to the gang between 2004 and 2011. One girl, aged 11 or 12 at the time, was abducted from a care home and supplied ecstasy before being made to perform sex acts, Leeds crown court heard.

Many of the victims described how they were plied with drink and drugs at house parties then raped “one by one” by the men, who used plastic bags as condoms.

Dhaliwal was at the heart of the group, who referred to each other using nicknames including “Dracula,” “Beastie” and “Chiller” in monikers that were used in the three trials.

The court heard the married father-of-two committed countless rapes, incited child prostitution, trafficked girls across the region and filmed their abuse on his mobile phone.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rape-abuse
Oh, we could include Rochdale and many other communities which are now predominately Pakistani. In recent years no fewer than 30 gangs (So far) of child rapists all with the same MO and made up of men of mainly Pakistani heritage in 27 different English towns have been sent to prison. Given the fact that men of Pakistani heritage are a tiny minority in the UK, it would appear there's a problem.

Birmingham
Blackburn
Blackpool
Bristol
Burnley
Bury
Carlisle
Derby
Dewsbury
Halifax
High Wycombe
Keighley (Twice)
Leeds (Twice)
Leicester
Manchester
Middlesbrough
Newcastle
Norwich
Oldham
Oxford
Peterborough
Preston
Rochdale
Rotherham
Sheffield
Skipton
Telford (Twice)

But, you know, racism and all that...
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like meade said, I fear that it is too late for Europe.

perhaps you can have some empathy for us trumpanzees, gob.

but no, fill your bottles with piss, and call us apes......

join antifa......

you d think that a half assed welsh aussie would have a bit of rebel in him.......

oh my I hope that I haven t caused offense.

screw it , I ve got your hate speech hangin'......

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,,,, and huddersfield?

I only know it from Last of the Summer s Wine, but it feels like home to me.

those Yorkshire women, and men, could have been yanked from my youth....

the folks in Salisbury , MD were not much different from the yorkshiremen and women of England.

not much different than the Londoner s Del-boy and Rodney.

Open all Hours was home to me.

of course white folks are evil now.

kill 'em all.......

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That's really very horrible, no doubt about it.

A tiny fraction of the atrocities committed by the Catholic church, though. A tiny fraction of child sex abuse overall, most of which is happening all over the UK committed by family members and close friends, just as it does here in the US and elsewhere in the world.

I'm not at all diminishing the outrage that should be felt about this. But given that they are crimes committed by a tiny fraction of the Pakistani population in the UK - most of whom are hard workers, providing incredible food among many other contributions to a multicultural society - and an even tinier fraction of the child sex abuse happening in the country . . . what exactly are you suggesting or asking be done about this other than the policing and prosecuting that IS being done?
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It does appear to be an issue that transcends race entirely:
British children being forced into modern slavery in UK as 5,000 potential victims found
Teenagers being forced to traffic drugs and into sexual exploitation across UK, investigators warn

Lizzie Dearden Home Affairs Correspondent @lizziedearden
Monday 26 March 2018 00:00

British children are being forced into modern slavery in the UK as more potential victims are reported than ever before.

A total of 5,145 potential victims were referred into the system last year, an increase of 35 per cent on the year before, and the National Crime Agency (NCA) believes the number will continue to rise.

The largest group was British citizens (819, more than double the 326 referred in 2016), followed by Albanian and Vietnamese nationals.

The NCA said a rising number of British modern slaves are being reported because of police referring teenage victims exploited by criminal gangs.

Most are being used for sex or as drug mules by “county lines” groups that supply from urban centres into rural areas, often exploiting young and vulnerable people to distribute their product.

Suspected labour exploitation was the most frequently cited category, accounting for 2,352 cases - nearly half of all referrals.

Other reports were linked to suspected sexual exploitation (1,744) and domestic servitude (488).

The majority, 4,714, of referrals were passed to English police forces for crime recording purposes, with 207 referred in Scotland, 193 in Wales and 31 in Northern Ireland.

Of the referrals logged last year, 1,595, or nearly a third, related to exploitation alleged to have happened overseas.

Government failing in its bid to tackle modern slavery, report finds
Liam Vernon, a senior manager in the NCA’s modern slavery and human trafficking unit, said the figure was “shocking”.

“The reality is that there isn’t a region in the UK that isn’t affected,” he told The Independent.

“The number is shocking and our assessment is that this is an under-reported crime.”

Investigators put the huge increase down to a better understanding of exploitation by police and other authorities, who have been flagging more people to the dedicated National Referral Mechanism (NRM).

The body works to identify victims of human trafficking or modern slavery and ensure they receive support to escape their situation.

Police warn modern slaves 'staffing nail bars across UK' as Vietnamese gang jailed in landmark case
Gangs frequently use children under the age of 18 in the belief they will be less suspicious and receive lenient sentences if caught.

Some of the children found in the trade also have mental health issues and are drug users themselves, coming from broken homes, traumatic lives, state care or having been reported missing, the NCA said.

Gangs recruiting children as young as 12 as Class A drug dealers
Several police forces have discovered care homes being “actively targeted” to recruit vulnerable children, while sexual grooming was also found in some areas seeing girls being coerced into “relationships” with gang members.

Will Kerr, director of the NCA, said the rising phenomenon was a “particular concern”.

“We are now dealing with an evolving threat,” he added. “The criminals involved in these types of exploitation are going into online spaces, particularly adult services website, to enable their criminality.”

Other common countries of origin include China, Nigeria, Romania, Sudan, Eritrea, India, Poland and Pakistan, but 116 different nationalities are known to be affected.

The majority of modern slaves identified are subject to forced labour, sexual exploitation or domestic servitude.

Victims have been found in a range of legal and illegal trades in the UK, including Vietnamese nail bars, cannabis farming, prostitution, flower-picking and at hand car washes.

Some people-smuggling gangs are directly involved in modern slavery, with hotspots lying on migration routes from West Africa and through the Mediterranean.

“At some point on every migrant’s journey they will become more and more vulnerable to practices like debt bondage, sexual exploitation and labour exploitation,” Mr Vernon said.

The Independent has interviewed men who were made to carry out forced labour in Libya in order to pay for their freedom or onward journey, by militias who transport women to be raped for cash.

Some gangs are taking advantage of vulnerability, while others are targeting victims by posing as recruiters for legitimate work in Britain and then forcing them into slavery when they arrive.

Romania is a nexus for such recruitment, as is Nigeria, with both countries involved in recent court cases.

A Romanian gang leader was jailed for seven years on Friday after forcing his victims to work in construction and threatening to beat them to death if they asked to be paid.

David Lupu, 29, lured targets from his home country with a promise of a £50 a day and a good standard of living, but kept them in squalid conditions and confiscated their documents.

He told the men, who were given limited food, that they would have to pay hundreds of pounds for permits to work in the UK, so they remained under his control until two victims managed to reach a London police station.

Detective Constable Marie Marshall said: “The victims in this case were promised work and a future in London. The reality was very different and they were exploited by the Lupu, who arranged work with no intention of payment, saddling the victims in debt.”

The NCA was involved in another case in Spain, which saw 39 women and girls who had been forced into prostitution by a Nigerian gang freed and 89 suspects arrested last week.

They had undergone voodoo rituals before leaving their home country to make them comply with their masters’ orders on the refugee route to Europe via Libya and the Mediterranean Sea.

After arriving in Spain, the victims were forced to live in cave-like houses and made to work as prostitutes for the profit of gang leaders remaining in Nigeria.

The number of modern slaves globally is unknown but in the UK a government estimate in 2014 put the figure at between 10,000 and 13,000 people.

Meet the former modern slaves fleeing over the Mediterranean to Europe
“Our judgement is that is an under-estimate and in the next three years we expect the number to rise,” Mr Vernon said.

“This is a profitable area for crime groups and we see technology and the internet developing as an enabler, making it easier for criminals to operate and harder for law enforcement to tackle on our own.

“It is important to have strong international cooperation and the public have a really strong role to play.”

Victoria Atkins, the minister for crime, safeguarding and vulnerability, described modern slavery and trafficking as “despicable crimes which see some of the most vulnerable people in society targeted by ruthless predators”.

She said the Modern Slavery Act 2015 was helping security services pursue offenders and “bring the issue out of the shadows”, with 600 live police investigations underway, adding: “We know there is more to do, and we are working to improve the system for identifying victims and supporting them to leave situations of exploitation and begin to recover and rebuild their lives.”

Anyone who wants information or to report a case of modern slavery is asked to call the dedicated helpline on 0800 0121 700 or visit the website.
People of all colors and nationalities are capable of being absolute scumbags. When I ran a search for child sex abuse in the UK, I found a bunch of stories about modern slavery in Wales. White Welsh men keeping slaves in the backyard . . . it's not just a swarthy dark men thing.
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BoSoxGal wrote:
People of all colors and nationalities are capable of being absolute scumbags. When I ran a search for child sex abuse in the UK, I found a bunch of stories about modern slavery in Wales. White Welsh men keeping slaves in the backyard . . . it's not just a swarthy dark men thing.
Modern slavery is not the same as the organised rape and sexual exploitation of vulnerable young white girls.
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Sure, just ignore the longer article I linked. :roll:

I never said they were exactly the same, and your assertion is a straw man anyway. Sexual exploitation and trafficking of children - and adults - is closely linked to slavery and actually many of the persons trafficked DO fall into the definition of slavery according to the governments and agencies that research and address these issues. The problem is widespread and like all crime, more white people are doing it in predominantly white populations than POC. Look at your UK prison stats, Gob.

By the way, it’s interesting that you seem to delineate between the rape of white girls versus girls of color. The article you cited in the OP does not specify that all the victims were white - in fact it says nothing about the race of the victims. Are the white girls the only ones you care about? If you learned that the victims were also Asian or otherwise POC, would you be less outraged?

You know, racism and all that . . .
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Gob wrote:
BoSoxGal wrote:
People of all colors and nationalities are capable of being absolute scumbags. When I ran a search for child sex abuse in the UK, I found a bunch of stories about modern slavery in Wales. White Welsh men keeping slaves in the backyard . . . it's not just a swarthy dark men thing.
Modern slavery is not the same as the organised rape and sexual exploitation of vulnerable young white girls.
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BoSoxGal wrote:

I never said they were exactly the same, and your assertion is a straw man anyway. Sexual exploitation and trafficking of children - and adults - is closely linked to slavery and actually many of the persons trafficked DO fall into the definition of slavery according to the governments and agencies that research and address these issues. The problem is widespread and like all crime, more white people are doing it in predominantly white populations than POC. Look at your UK prison stats, Gob.
Things for another debate.
BoSoxGal wrote: By the way, it’s interesting that you seem to delineate between the rape of white girls versus girls of color. The article you cited in the OP does not specify that all the victims were white - in fact it says nothing about the race of the victims. Are the white girls the only ones you care about? If you learned that the victims were also Asian or otherwise POC, would you be less outraged?
I’m a Rotherham grooming gang survivor. I call myself a survivor because I’m still alive. I’m part of the UK’s largest ever child sexual abuse investigation.

As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.

They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten.

Fear of being killed, and threats to my parents’ lives, made it impossible for me to escape for about a year. The police didn’t help me.
The pattern of large-scale exploitation of mainly white girls by groups of men of mainly Pakistani heritage uncovered by West Yorkshire Police in Huddersfield mirrors what has happened in a number of other towns including Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford.
One member of the Newcastle gang, Badrul Hussain, once told a white female ticket inspector: “All white women are only good for one thing – for men like me to f*** and use like trash. That’s all women like you are worth.”
Prosecutor John Elvidge QC said the victims who gave evidence in court were all "white British".
At Sheffield Crown Court throughout September and October, eight men sat in the dock accused of rape and other sexual crimes against four girls, three aged 13 and one 16. The case resulted in five being convicted and three acquitted. All of the eight defendants were Pakistani Muslims and the girls white British.
Sajid Javid revealed work is under way to identify the "characteristics" of child sex abusers and their victims in a bid to tackle a "national threat".

Police will use the results to improve "targeting" of the gangs and "prevention activity".

Mr Javid made the announcement in a letter to Sarah Champion, the Labour MP for Rotherham who has previously said Britain has a "problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".
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You know, racism and all that . . .
Indeed
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Those quotes are from another source than the article you posted in the OP, Gob - I didn’t read the Wiki article so I’ll concede the point.

But again, I’ve run a few searches and according to the stats on sexual exploitation and abuse of children and incarceration of offenders in the UK, the offenders are largely white - just like the population.

So I ask you again, what is your point? What are you suggesting should be done beyond the policing and prosecuting that already ARE being done? Are you suggesting that the behavior of a tiny fraction of the Pakistani population should result in persecution of the entire Pakistani population? Why should they be treated any differently than other races?

You’re a white Welsh man - are you a modern slaver? Should you be persecuted because there is a problem of modern slavery in Wales?
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The vast majority of child sex offenders in England and Wales are male, with men representing 98% of all defendants in 2015/16, and white, with whites representing 85% of convicted child sex offenders and 86% of the general population in 2011. Asians represent 8% of the general population of England and Wales as of 2011. A 2011 analysis by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command of 940 possible offenders reported for "street grooming and child sexual exploitation" found that 38% were white, 36% were Asian, while 32% were of an unknown ethnicity.[8]
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BoSoxGal wrote:Those quotes are from another source than the article you posted in the OP, Gob - I didn’t read the Wiki article so I’ll concede the point.

But again, I’ve run a few searches and according to the stats on sexual exploitation and abuse of children and incarceration of offenders in the UK, the offenders are largely white - just like the population.
And if you do a search, you'll find that the majority of organised gang exploitation of young girls is done by gangs of men of Pakistani origin.
BoSoxGal wrote:So I ask you again, what is your point? What are you suggesting should be done beyond the policing and prosecuting that already ARE being done? Are you suggesting that the behavior of a tiny fraction of the Pakistani population should result in persecution of the entire Pakistani population? Why should they be treated any differently than other races?
What should be done is the issue should be addressed, and that fears of "racism" or not being "PC" should not take precedence over investigating the Pakistani community and their involvement.
Police more concerned with political correctness than crime

The result of this has been that police forces lean over backwards to avoid the accusation of racism, while social workers will hesitate to intervene in any case in which they could be accused of discriminating against ethnic minorities. Matters are made worse by the rise of militant Islam, which has added to the old crime of racism the new crime of ‘Islamophobia’. No social worker today will risk being accused of this crime. In Rotherham a social worker would be mad, and a police officer barely less so, to set out to investigate cases of suspected sexual abuse, when the perpetrators are Asian Muslims and the victims ethnically English. Best to sweep it under the carpet, find ways of accusing the victims or their parents or the surrounding culture of institutionalised racism, and attending to more urgent matters such as the housing needs of recent immigrants, or the traffic offences committed by those racist middle classes.

Americans too are familiar with this syndrome. Political correctness among sociologists comes from socialist convictions and the tired old theories that produce them. But among ordinary people it comes from fear. The people of Rotherham know that it is unsafe for a girl to take a taxi-ride from someone with Asian features; they know that Pakistani Muslims often do not treat white girls with the respect that they treat girls from their own community. They know, and have known over fifteen years, that there are gangs of predators on the look-out for vulnerable girls, and that the gangs are for the most part Asian young men who see English society not as the community to which they belong, but as a sexual hunting ground. But they dare not express this knowledge, in either words or deed. Still less do they dare to do so if their job is that of social worker or police officer. Let slip the mere hint that Pakistani Muslims are more likely than indigenous Englishmen to commit sexual crimes and you will be branded as a racist and an Islamophobe, to be ostracised in the workplace and put henceforth under observation.
BoSoxGal wrote:You’re a white Welsh man - are you a modern slaver? Should you be persecuted because there is a problem of modern slavery in Wales?
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you need more guns.

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sure, because we have plenty here and no rape, no gang rape, no crime to speak of. Hell, our guns have made this utopia.

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wesw wrote:you need more guns.
So that the mass murders could distract you from the gang rapes.
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one or two dads blowing the fuck out of a few perps might just make a difference.

when the police don t enforce the law, when lawlessness is the policy, the people should rise up and reclaim govt.

damned straight.

you think that I wouldn t shoot men who raped my kid?

damned straight.

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Then, some night, the rest of the gang comes for you. They'll de-ball you and make you watch them rape your wife, any other daughters you might have, and any other women, like gramma or aunts or cousins, that might be there — hell, they might even take turns butt-fucking you!! — before they finish by killing all of you ... and then set the house on fire for good measure. That's how these gangs work, and if you think otherwise you're a naïve fool.

You talk tough enough, all right, but you're really just as big a pussy as your fearless leader.
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  • One time in a hundred a gun might save your life; the other ninety-nine it will just tempt you into folly. [ ...] I know how good a gun feels. It makes you bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, three meters tall and covered with hair. You’re ready for anything and kind of hoping you’ll find it. Which is exactly what is dangerous about it – because you aren’t anything of the sort. You are a feeble, hairless embryo, remarkably easy to kill."
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that s what king George said......

liberty or death, my good man, liberty or death.

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Gob wrote:
You're an idiot.
Name call all you like, I'm merely being observant. You post prolifically about crime committed by POC in the UK, yet say nothing when I post stats that prove that 85% of the crime you're posting about is, in fact, committed by white men, not men of color.

The very stories you post prove that the police are, in fact, investigating and the Crown is prosecuting these crimes where a case can be made. I'm sure there are all kinds of xenophobes in the UK who will write opinion pieces that claim POC are being treated with kid gloves out of political correctness, but the facts don't seem to bear that out. The earlier long article I posted, which you essentially ignored, discusses the extensive outreach efforts taking place to find and protect children being exploited for sex - so there is hardly nothing being done about it.

When I call you on what appears to be a racial bias, using the logic structure you seem to be employing in your attacks on Pakistanis, you call me names.

What's going on here? :shrug I have some ideas.
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