d-day

[wesw]

what will happen when the arrests begin/

when the treason charges are dropped.

when Mueller leaves you to the wolves

we ll see....

the tree of liberty will be watered

tyrants and patriots.....

choose with whom you will bleed.

read the tag line.

im old and in a bad neighborhood, I will likely die first.

I regret that I have but one life.......

[Lord Jim]

tyrants and patriots.....

choose with whom you will bleed.

Well, you're clearly on Team Tyrant wes, so I guess you can mark me down as a patriot...

[wesw]

you will never be mistaken for a patriot , jim

maybe once, but not now

[Lord Jim]

Of all the hopelessly confused thinking and completely bass-ackwards things you believe wes, (and an impressively long list it is) this bizarre notion that following an authoritarian rule-of-law shredding plutocrat some how makes you a fighter for "liberty" akin to the "patriots" of old is unquestionably the most hopelessly confused and bass-ackwards fantasy you have embraced...

Signing on with the guy most like George III doesn't make you a "son of liberty"...

[Burning Petard]

Thank you LJ. I never considered comparing POTUS and George III. It is sort of a fun thought experiment.

snailgate

[Lord Jim]

[Sue U]

wesw is just the kind of sucker that Trump has been preying on for 40 years. Hey, wesw, why don't you sign up for Trump University and learn all the secrets of real estate? Or donate to the Trump Foundation to further its good works?

[Crackpot]

In wes’s world:

Questions are a burden.
Answers, a prison for oneself.

[RayThom]

... Questions are a burden. Answers, a prison for oneself.

I think I finally got a quote.

[ex-khobar Andy]

And BTW wes - I know you weren't referring to the actual D-Day on June 6, 1944 but my Dad was there. Here's his landing craft:



From the UPI page:

Scene on one of the invasion beaches, during force buildup operations in June 1944. Note: Shore party relaxing (left foreground); Bulldozer with heavy fenders on its blade, possibly for boat salvage purposes (behind the shore party); Beached landing vessels, including (from left to right): USS LCT-852; British LCT-2302 and a Rhino (RHF) pontoon barge. This photograph, taken by Combat Photo Unit Eleven (CPU-11), was received by the Navy Photo Science Laboratory on July 3, 1944. Photo by U.S. Navy/National Archives/UPI.

After the war he drove it back across the pond to NYNY. He's been gone for 12 years now - I miss him every day. We rarely agreed politically - he was a conservative all his life but even he found Margaret Thatcher too much - but I remember how laughable he found GWB. I do wish he were still here so we could talk about Trump. He would just find it unbelievable.

[wesw]

best wishes, andy.

I m glad that he came home.

I had two grandfathers who were shot in ww2.

they came home too.

I don t know where they served, they didn t talk about the war.

my great grand father died in ww1.

they talk about me serving my fuhreur , and then deny calling me a Nazi.....

trump is a vehicle and a messenger, sue, that is all.

he is a man standing up, that is all.

imperfect, like we all are.

he hasn t sold me a damned thing but hope.

my views were formed from life,

my views on this board were the same before trump ran, as they are now.

so let s just kill all our babies to make room for the invaders.

planned parenthood is eugenics, as the founder openly preached..., even to the KKK

so who is the Nazi?

black masked terror, and a baby killing industry.

who are the Nazis?

banned from social media.

locked up for expressing honest sentiments

who are the Nazis?

[wesw]

unfortunately this is all coming to a head. worldwide.

if you wish to subjugate our minds, sue, you will have to slaughter great numbers of us....

....and you may be fine with that, but it won t be easy.

the world is woke

[wesw]

oh, and jim, name some trump policies and official actions that you despise.

I know that you hate the man, but please tell me what you think of our present governance compared to the previous twelve years

[Bicycle Bill]

oh, and jim, name some trump policies and official actions that you despise.

Joke's on you, wesw, Trump doesn't have official 'policies'.  He makes it up as he goes along.

-"BB"-

[wesw]

actually he is doing what he has said should be done.

he has been consistent, for the most part , since the early 80's and before.

thank god that he changed his mind on killing babies.

your side has gone from bad to abominable on that front.

god gave us all free will, and I get that, but planned parenthood and all of their supporters are just doing horrible things.

let s kill all of our babies to make room for Hondurans and Chinese.

let us let in anyone who wants to kill us because of some fucked up idea of faith.

no. let us build things, make things, grow things and catch things.

diversity of people is good, diversity of ideas of liberty and rights will destroy us.

we must have a constitution that applies to all, and ours is the best around, and it can be changed.

divided we fall

divide and conquer.....

united we stand.

support your constitution and speak freely if you want to change it.

I have a few bones to pick with the commerce clause, and the 4th amendment myself....

...or maybe just with the current interpretations of them.

maybe Justice sotomaiyor will retire soon....

....friggin justice Ginsburg will be there forever,

she ll just be a brain in a jar, singing her hymn.......

...you gotta admire the old bird....

...as wrong as she is ..., about so much..., for so long.....

[Lord Jim]

oh, and jim, name some trump policies and official actions that you despise.

Oh my, where to begin...

I haven't got time for a comprehensive list; just a few off the top of my head, (and I'll go with "oppose" rather than "despise"...it's Trump's actions to subvert the constitution and replace the rule of law with the rule of one man that I despise....)

-The decision to dump the The Trans-Pacific Partnership (pretty much the only good treaty Obama negociated, pulling out was a huge gift to the Chinese...)

-His economically destructive trade wars- (Contrary to his repeated lies on the subject, tariffs are paid by domestic consumers, not foreign governments. But then you really can't expect a guy who went bankrupt four times to understand the first thing about economics...)

-His phony "national emergency"- (Nothing but a sop to his nativist supporters, it does nothing to enhance security, in fact by diverting DOD dollars from other areas...like drug smuggling interdiction...it actually undermines security, while providing a template for future Presidents to use "national emergency" for whatever policy priorities they choose to pursue that Congress refuses to fund.)

-Pretty much everything related to North Korea- (Except his decision to walk away from the meeting that should never have happened in the first place in Hanoi. From the decision to meet with Kim in the first place, to the cancelling of military exercises with South Korea, it's been nothing but unilateral concessions, and a classic example of how Trump is every bit as much a failure as a negociator as he is a businessman.)

-The Withdrawal from Syria- (A brilliantly constructed strategy with a small US military footprint was devised by Jim Mattis, only now to be destroyed by Trump. Trump made the right decision when he pretty much deferred all military strategy decisions to Mattis for the first part of his Administration, but now that he's decided to put his own incompetent ignorant hands on it, we can expect the same kind of pigs breakfast to be made of defense policy that he has made of foreign and trade policy.)

-His decisions to undermine the legal border entry system which has led directly to the increases in illegal border crossings, that previously were at decades-long historic lows...

Like I said, no time for anywhere near a comprehensive list. And I haven't even considered the horrible policy decisions he's been forced to withdraw--(like his original unconstitutional attempt at a Muslim Ban, or the grotesque child separation policy.)

I posted earlier a summary on my views about Trump regarding official policy:

My policy views have not changed. I don't post about it very often, (because my time here is limited, and I prefer to use the time I have available to post about politics on this board focusing on what I see as the most important issues. Like the existential threat that the current President Of The United States represents to the fundamental well being of our Republic and the rule of law) but I'm sure that from a strictly policy point of view, I am in agreement with a much higher percentage of what has come from this administration than most people here.

I support the defense budget increases, and the more robust military strategy for bringing down the ISIS caliphate, (for which Jim Matis deserves the credit). I supported the Gorsuch nomination, I support the nomination of conservative jurists in general, (though I do not support completely unqualified judicial nominees, of which this administration has put forward more than its share) I support a lot of the cuts in regulatory red tape, tax reductions, and increases in business investment incentives...

In general, the policy decisions that have come from this administration that I support are pretty much policies that would have been pursued by any Republican President, from John Kasich to Ted Cruz, and supported by any GOP controlled Congress...

There are of course also a whole slew of policies that have have emanated from the Trump White House that I vigorously oppose. The trashing of critical alliances and agreements, the systematic gutting of the State Department, the highly suspicious reluctance to hold Russia accountable for its acts of aggression and crimes (against both our own country and internationally) to name but a few...

(And oh yes, call me a radical socialist, but I also oppose ending funding for providing breakfast to poor children because Mick Mulvaney doesn't believe their scholastic test scores have improved sufficiently for them to deserve to be fed...)

I remain the same limited government, pro-free enterprise, strong national defense, strong national security Reagan Republican I have been for nearly four decades...

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But of course as I have said, it is the existential threat that Trump poses to our form of governance and the rule of law that forms my conviction that he must go as soon as possible. (From that same post)

...when we have (as we do) a President aggressively seeking to to undermine our Constitutional system and the rule of law, a President waging a relentless war on every institution in our government and society at large designed to serve as a check on his power, (our law enforcement agencies, our courts, our free press, etc.) a President who daily engages in systematically trying to deconstruct the very concepts of "truth" and shared reality that are critically important for a democratic system to function...

And, oh yeah, the fact that we have a President about whom we have to ask the question, "Is he only a Useful Idiot, or is he actually a Recruited Agent for the Russian government?"

ETA:

And of course I haven't even mentioned the way he has disgraced his office and embarrassed the country with his vulgar, infantile and self-absorbed public statements at ceremonial events and through his tweets on pretty much a daily basis since the day he was sworn in...

So much to criticize and condemn; so little time...

[wesw]

all of which were things that he campaigned on and was elected because of his positions on.

it was not a secret.

iguess that you don t believe in elections...

well it isn t a guess.

you don t believe in our system of govt.

how would you change it?

you could keep calling him a commie stooge or a Nazi like thing, but the returns are diminishing on that gambit....

...I d advise that you stick with the current tack and switch to the southern district of new York, like all wise patriots.

gee, trump was a cot throat businessman, who pushed to the very edge of tax law.

no duh.

we knew that when we elected him.

sour grapes from a sore loser.

your pride makes you blind.

your hatred makes you stupid.

money makes you dishonest.

were you ever invited to the bohemian grove.

I see no other explanation for a smart guy like you being so obtuse.

[Lord Jim]

you don t believe in our system of govt.

This from a guy who thinks that our deliberative democratic process ends when we have one election, and that at that point everyone should shut up and fall in line...

Too funny...

Yet more of that hopelessly confused bass-ackwards thinking...

Since the Democrats retook the House in an election on a platform of opposing most of Trump's policies and to serve as a check on his authoritarian designs, and yet you continue to speak out out against them:

iguess that you don t believe in elections...

well it isn t a guess.

you don t believe in our system of govt.

how would you change it?

I wouldn't...

I respect it just the way it is...

Which is more than can be said for you and the Putzident....

[wesw]

well either you are lying now, or you were then.

either way......

what is your new party?

the pissy ass sore loser club?

you mitt Romney, paul ryan, john Kasich, bill krystal and George will?

you and scarborough can get together and form the lamest party ever!!!!!

[Bicycle Bill]

gee, trump was a cot throat businessman, who pushed to the very edge of tax law.

no duh.

we knew that when we elected him.

(and further down)  money makes you dishonest.

Can't argue with you there, especially that last sentence fragment.  Work the tax laws and the bankruptcy courts to your advantage, and when all else fails, just stiff the workers.
Yeah, that sounds like honesty and integrity, all right.

It is my personal opinion that if Trump were to try to move into the same trailer park I'm in, just his bankruptcy record alone would ensure that he would fail the background check.... and for that, I suppose, I should be eternally grateful.  Imagine waking up some morning and finding out that I had 'The Great Pretender' as a next-door neighbor.

-"BB"-