Only in the UK....

[Gob]

Four men launched a horrific attack on a teacher in which they slashed his face and left him with a fractured skull because they did not approve of him teaching religion to Muslim girls.

Akmol Hussein, 26, Sheikh Rashid, 27, Azad Hussain, 25, and Simon Alam, 19, attacked Gary Smith with a Stanley knife, an iron rod and a block of cement.

Mr Smith, who is head of religious education at Central Foundation Girls' School in Bow, east London, also suffered a fractured skull.

The four now face a jail sentence.

Detectives made secret recordings of the gang's plot to attack Mr Smith prior to the brutal assault.

The covert audio probe captured the gang condemning Mr Smith for 'teaching other religions to our sisters', the court heard.

The RE teacher was targeted as he made his way on foot along Burdett Road in nearby Mile End on July 12 last year, Snaresbrook Crown Court was told.

Prosecutor Sarah Whitehouse told the court: 'The evidence from what was said on the probe points overwhelmingly to a religious motive for this attack.'

It is believed the gang had made two earlier attempts to get at the teacher.

They were due to stand trial for the attack at Snaresbrook Crown Court but pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm with intent.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1Edhne7pK

[dales]

7th century savages

[Andrew D]

Detectives made secret recordings of the gang's plot to attack Mr Smith prior to the brutal assault.

So law enforcement had solid evidence of a criminal conspiracy but did not intervene, choosing instead to let Smith become a victim. Brilliant.

[Jarlaxle]

Islam is a cancer on the world and need to be eradicated as such. This qualifies as evidence file #10,968,337.

[Big RR]

Islam? This seems to be the actions of 4 jerks; jerks who happened to be moslem and perverted its teachings to justify their acts, but isolated jerks nonetheless. Every religion has them, even christianity (indeed, one would think those detectives who chose not to intervene before the attack were christian, and refrained from acting to catch those bastards in the act rather than prosecute a criminal conspiracy--damn christians).

Now one can rail on about how religion is a "cancer on the world" which should be eradicated, or we can use common sense to understand the vast majority of religious adherents receive something from their beliefs and do not go about killing, maiming and committing acts of mayhem in the name of their god.

[Gob]

This seems to be the actions of 4 jerks; jerks who happened to be moslem and perverted its teachings to justify their acts, but isolated jerks nonetheless.

I don't know about isolated, we're hearing more and more of these takes from the UK.

He is also an incestuous child abuser, repeatedly raping his daughter from the age of five until she was 15, ostensibly as part of her punishment for being “disobedient”. At the age of 16 she fled her family to avoid the forced marriage they had planned for her in Pakistan. A much, much greater affront to “honour” in her family’s eyes, however, was the fact that she then became a Christian – an apostate. The Koran is explicit that apostasy is punishable by death; thus it was that her father the imam led a 40-strong gang – in the middle of a British city – to find and kill her.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 907458.ece

A schoolgirl believed to be pregnant was murdered by her 'psychotic' father in an honour killing after police repeatedly ignored her pleas for help.

Mehmet Goren, 49, a bully who terrified his Turkish family, was yesterday found guilty at the Old Bailey of murdering his 15-year-old daughter Tulay after she started a relationship with Halil Unal, man from a different Muslim sect.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1EoayuusY

A Harry Potter actress fled her home after her father and brother threatened to kill her for going out with a Hindu man, a court heard yesterday.

Afshan Azad, 22, who appeared in the blockbuster movies as Padma Patil, was attacked and branded a ‘slag’ when Muslim relatives found out about her boyfriend.

The actress was so scared that she escaped out of her bedroom window and later fled her home city.

Police were called and her father, Abul Azad, 54, and brother, Ashraf, 28, were arrested and charged with making threats to kill her. The actress’s brother was also charged with assault.

[Big RR]

OK, but when one considers the number of moslems in the world (or even in the UK), the total number of all these jerks are a very small percentage of them.

[Long Run]

These criminals will get at least a solid 60 days in the slammer, based on prior stories of the UK criminal justice system, and the experiences of the Law & Order UK crew.

[Gob]

60?!?!

To get sixty days in the UK clink they would've had to have sex with his headless corpse outside Buckingham palace, while injecting toddlers with heroin and setting fire to the Queens corgis.

[Crackpot]

You kidding setting fire to any animal will get you 5-10. It's humans that don't matter.

[rubato]

... A much, much greater affront to “honour” in her family’s eyes, however, was the fact that she then became a Christian – an apostate. The Koran is explicit that apostasy is punishable by death; thus it was that her father the imam led a 40-strong gang – in the middle of a British city – to find and kill her.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 907458.ece

Apostacy was punishable by death in Christendom until quite recently, in historic terms. The way that the inquisition worked was that they would say "look, either convert or leave and we'll steal most of your possessions." Some Jews and Muslims left but some thought that pretending conversion and not having your house, land, and inconveniently portable possession not stolen by Catholics was a reasonable option too ... until they found that converting 'insincerely' or reverting to Jewish or Muslim practice was punishable by death, while being a Jew or Muslim was only punishable by banishment.

That's where Muslims got the idea from. Roman Catholics.

yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Sadly for theory, the Qur'an was received by Mohammed (peace be upon him) in the 7th century. The Inquisition was 15th century. Nasty people those Spanish. Particularly the comfy chair.

Carry on with the usual disinformation

Meade

[Big RR]

OK Meade--the Old Testament: Deuternonmy 13:6 et seq. "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Or in Leviticus: "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

That's older than the Koran.

I'm not saying we believe or should believe heretics deserve o be put to death, just showing how problematic it is to use the isolated scriptural quotations of any group (including moslems) as evidence of any belief; I would think few christians or moslems would believe in the right (or duty) to execute infidels.

[rubato]

Sorry Mag. Genl. You're mistaken.

Islam and Christianity are notable for their singularly brutal treatment of apostacy. Historically, it began with the Christians. While it is in the Old Testament I cannot think of any examples in the past 1,000 years of Jews treating other Jews like that.

yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Big RR; thanks but I'm familiar with stuff like that in the OT. Please not that rubato's subject was the Inquisition, Roman Catholics and that Muslims got the idea from Roman Catholics.

rubato said "the way that the inquisition worked was that they would say "look, either convert or leave and we'll steal most of your possessions." Some Jews and Muslims left but some thought that pretending conversion and not having your house, land, and inconveniently portable possession not stolen by Catholics was a reasonable option too ... until they found that converting 'insincerely' or reverting to Jewish or Muslim practice was punishable by death, while being a Jew or Muslim was only punishable by banishment. That's where Muslims got the idea from. Roman Catholics"

Is the Times correct in saying: "The Koran is explicit that apostasy is punishable by death"

If so, then Mohammed (peace be upon him) beat the Inquisition by a few hundred years. The argument was not that Christians (or Jews or Moslems) have not done terrible acts both within and without their own group. But that Moslems got the idea from Roman Catholics. Apparently they got the idea from .... well, that depends on how one views the source of the Prophet's word. It would be profitable to study his life and enquire whether he learned the treament of the Meccans from Roman Catholics or found his own inspiration? Of course, that was after he got tired of the Jews rejecting his distortion of the Old Testament. And oddly enough, Moslem tolerance of other religions has about the same record of consistency as that of the Christian world.

BTW and off the beam, I was encouraged yesterday to hear a Libyan in Johannesburg described Ghadaffi as "that atheist, that killer".

Regards
Meade

[Big RR]

s the Times correct in saying: "The Koran is explicit that apostasy is punishable by death"

That's my point, is it? I think we have to consider the exact quote and the context, just as we do with the bible. What the words connote may be very different from what is actually meant. As i recall one of Paul's letter mentions heretics and says they are rightly put to death under the law; did he mean tha tpeople should run right out and do that? That's where context comes into play, IMHO.

[Gob]

Justice is done...

Four Muslim men were jailed today after they carried out a brutal attack on an RE teacher because they did not approve of him teaching religious studies to Muslim girls.


Gary Smith, 38, received 'appalling injuries' after he was set upon by the gang as he walked to work at Central Foundation Girls' School in Bow, east London, on July 12 last year. Armed with a metal rod and a brick, they punched, kicked and attacked Mr Smith, leaving him unconscious and covered in blood on the pavement in Burdett Road, Tower Hamlets. Simon Alam, 19, of Whitechapel, Azad Hussain, 26, of Wapping, Sheikh Rashid, 27, of Shadwell, and Akmol Hussein, 26, of Bethnal Green, all in east London, pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm with intent earlier this year.

Sentencing them at east London's Snaresbrook Crown Court, Judge John Hand QC said he believed they all remained a danger to the public due to their extreme religious beliefs.

Addressing the defendants one by one, he said: 'Your belief is that you carried out a duty to your God and you did so with no mercy.' 'If you think that people around you in society present an insult or threat to God then you will not hesitate in attacking again in the way that you have acted.'

After hearing how Mr Smith suffered multiple injuries, including lacerations and bruising all over his body, has a permanent 12cm long deep scar across his left cheek, and how the whole of the facial part of his skull was broken, he said: 'Literally, this man had his face smashed in.'

The court heard how the men were only caught out because Akmol Hussein's car was being bugged on an unrelated matter.On the surveillance tape they were heard to plan the attack and it was also clear that they had lain in wait for Mr Smith as he walked to school on other mornings as they spoke of how they had been unsuccessful on other occasions. Hussein, who had a niece at the school, was heard to say: 'He's mocking us and he's putting thoughts in people's minds. 'How can somebody take a job to teach Islam when he's not even a Muslim himself?' He was also recorded as saying that he did not care if he had to go to prison over the attack as he was doing it for the sake of Allah.

The court heard that the men had admitted their motivation behind the attack was their religious belief. None of them other than Hussein had a connection with the school, which teaches pupils of mainly Bangladeshi origin. Prosecutor Sarah Whitehouse said of Mr Smith: 'He was targeted as the victim of this attack quite simply because of his position as head of religious studies at the school. 'The defendants held very strong religious beliefs and they chose him because they did not approve of his teaching.'

Mr Smith, who had been head of religious studies at the school for eight years, was 'by all accounts an able, enthusiastic and popular teacher'. He followed the national curriculum by teaching his pupils all six of the main religions along with ethical issues such as abortion and euthanasia, the court heard. Some of the defendants had also claimed the reason behind the attack was because of rumours that he had raped a girl at the school, but this was found to be 'utterly without foundation and a complete mistake' when it was investigated.

Mr Smith was found lying on the pavement by two passers-by following the attack just after 8am, and was rushed to hospital, where he did not regain consciousness for two days. The court heard that he cannot remember anything of the assault, and has problems with his memory now which affects his abilities as a teacher. His injuries have left him unable to be the active and healthy man he once was and he has had to give up his passion for martial arts. He suffers from depression and anxiety and 'is unable to enjoy life and lives in constant fear of being attacked again', the judge said.

He said he deemed Akmol Hussein, a social worker and self- employed builder, and Azad Hussain, a finance worker, to have played the greatest role in the planning and execution of the attack and sentenced them each to an indeterminate sentence with a minimum of five years. Student Alam was told he must serve a minimum of five years in prison before being released on licence for a further five years, while bus driver Rashid was handed a four-year sentence with a further five years on licence.

A fifth defendant, Badruzzuha Uddin, 24, also of Shadwell, was also jailed for two years after previously admitting a charge of assisting an offender after he hid the men's bloodstained clothes.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1NVVtRMvM

[@meric@nwom@n]

These men no more represent the average Muslim than Fred Phillips represents the average Christian.

[Lord Jim]

'he's putting thoughts in people's minds."

Well, I don't blame them for being upset....

The mind is a terrible place for thoughts....