black pigeon speaks...., again.

[wesw]

this channel was removed from lubetube after this video was posted....

after much outrage, it re appeared last night.

we are the news.

[Burning Petard]

I support freedom of speech. I think everyone should free to say what ever they want.

THERE IS NO GUARENTEED RIGHT TO BE HEARD ! ! ! No one should be compelled to listen (or read), even on this forum. That is why there are user options here. Freedom of the press applies when it is your press. If you don't like YouTube rules, start your own company. Various 'fairness doctrines" apply to radio and television as they use public broadcast airways with public service requirements. Internet services are a very different ballgame. As always, money talks and bullshit walks.

snailgate

[wesw]

well, the internet comes thru the same cables at my house, the wi fi uses the same airwaves that are publc to get from my cable box to my 'puter

if these Public Utilities that are the tech giants want to use the cables , right of ways and airwaves, that are public, they must abide by the same rules as the above mentioned entities that use the samepublic avenues to reach us.

the phone company can t ban you and neither can youtube, if they use these right of ways cables and airways

can you see that view?

[Guinevere]

From Sue, the other day. Someone cannot read:

whatever, comrade.

It's not whatever. It makes a difference because in the real world where regulation occurs the facts actually matter. But you natter away in your wilful ignorance because you're too lazy to actually learn anything.

you tube and other platforms use the public airwaves and public right of ways for their signals......

The entire premise here is categorcially wrong. Youtube and other "platforms" do NOT use public airwaves.

they have become utilities, the primary forum for info and debate.

Whether Youtube or any platform is a medium for information and debate is irrelevant to whether they are "utilities," and they clearly are not. The Internet as a whole could be classified as a utility for FCC regulatory purposes, like telephone service used to be in the olden days, but the FCC is NOT pursuing that course.

they also got special protection from lawsuits because they are "platforms", "public squares" and not "publishers"

This is absolutely false; Facebook, Youtube, Twitter and similar social media are NOT public forums ("public squares") but ARE PRIVATE forums. They do not have any "special protection" from lawsuits. However, because of they way they are operated, it is very difficult to get liability to attach to them under traditional principles of law.

I heard it myself in congressional hearings.....

Either your hearing or your brain is broken, probably both.

now...., they have said that they ARE ?publishers" and they censor views which they do not agree with or that they judge to be " offensive" or "dangerous"

they can t have it both ways.

They're not "having it both ways." As PRIVATE actors they can do what they want with their businesses. Why do you hate capitalism?

perhaps we should take away their allotted portions of the digital spectrum, if they can t stomach free expression, within the law?

Social media are not "allotted" any portion of the digital spectrum; that's not how either technology or broadcast regulation works.

[wesw]

yeah, that is bullshit

by your logic a private company could refuse to hire someone because they were women

chew on that

on the other notes.

they use the cables, they use the airways

I disagree with your legal theories as , I suspect , would 5 supreme court justices

lawyers are wrong all the time

if two or three more justices retire before 2024 you will be wrong about much much more

we will see how these cases play out because, as you know, the gov t is investigating the practices of all the tech giants, so I suspect that we will see how it plays out, very very soon.

I believe that the tech platforms will cave before anything gets to court, unfortunately.

whether sue admits it or not, these guys got a special law passed protecting them from lawsuits because they said that they were platforms, not publishers, now they claim the opposite

they can t have it both ways.

[Crackpot]

You are a fucking moron

[wesw]

good argument there, Einstein.

did you learn your debate skills at an antifa rally?

try using your brain, not your emotions.

anyone can insult others without logic.

I am better at it than most, but I m trying to give it up

being offended is weak

no one here can offend me, except maybe Joe, because well..., he is just so darn smart......

I am obviously not a moron, I just have different ideas than you, that is all

I am often wrong and I can and do change my views if I learn new things, and I learn daily

can you say the same?

[Lord Jim]

yeah, that is bullshit

No, uh, actually, that's Sue using logic and fact to completely deconstruct your bullshit...

Just as with your hero, logic and facts are always your worst enemy...

She completely pwned you...

But you natter away in your wilful ignorance because you're too lazy to actually learn anything.

I think it may be cowardice rather than laziness that accounts for wes' iron-willed resistance to learning anything...

If wes began to learn actual facts, he would have no choice but to begin to question all the fantasies he has embraced through ignorance of the facts that he has been comfortably believing in for a long time...

He would have to confront the reality that the vast majority of what he has come to believe is true is in fact false, that he has completely wasted his time and energy with these false beliefs, and been played for a total fool by those who sold him on the pile of hokum he's embraced...

I believe wes simply lacks the intellectual courage it takes to deal with that...

[Scooter]

well, the internet comes thru the same cables at my house, the wi fi uses the same airwaves that are publc to get from my cable box to my 'puter

if these Public Utilities that are the tech giants want to use the cables , right of ways and airwaves, that are public, they must abide by the same rules as the above mentioned entities that use the samepublic avenues to reach us.

the phone company can t ban you and neither can youtube, if they use these right of ways cables and airways

can you see that view?

Does anyone else see the irony that a supporter of the administration that killed net neutrality is now arguing, not just that net neutrality is still the law of the land, but that the Fairness Doctrine that was eliminated for television and radio broadcast decades ago, somehow nevertheless magically applies to the internet.

And you take offence at being called a moron.

[wesw]

jim, you are so funny.

you truly amuse me.

oh gosh, I wouldn t even know where to begin.

can you even admit that Trump is president?

start with that.

after that admit that you are now a democrat.

we took your party and I think that we will keep it, not because we want it but because we don t want you to have it.

I AM the republican party, tho I haven t joined it.

I am the press, We ARE the news.

We are the gov t.

we will think and speak freely and you will have to give us death if you will not give us liberty.

trump is a messenger and a vehicle for US.

WE are the news.

wwg1wga

[wesw]

...and just as we have taken your party, we are taking the guy fawkes mask from the fascists and anarchists.

we will take the rainbow back too.

[Lord Jim]

It's scary to think that there are actually millions of suckers who have been duped into believing that load of horse shit...

[Scooter]

That's a SNL skit, right?

[Big RR]

No, more like Chiller Theater. And we thought Leni Riefenstahl was dead. The Triumph of the Bullshit.

[Bicycle Bill]

Who was it again about which it was said

His primary rules were:  never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

I'll give you a hint ... although it fits Trump to a capital 'T', it wasn't about him.  This is a direct quote from a report prepared during WWII by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing another megalomaniac's psychological profile.

-"BB"-

[wesw]

tens of millions, jim, tens of millions.......

...and we all have guns.

[Lord Jim]

Well there he goes, threatening violence again...

[wesw]

there he goes lying again.

I only promise to defend, that is all.

give us liberty or give us death.

that is your choice.

crooked jim.....

ever heard of the bill of rights?

ever heard of Patrick henry?

you are an elitist commie

the commies all love money and power..., and hate liberty

they hate free thought

they hate a free people.

they think that they are superior beings

[wesw]

if you want to see promotion of violence, just look to the "punchable face" thread

the title is even in german!!!!

[Scooter]

Poor wes is upset because he is no longer able to view his favourite cabal of terrorists, hate mongers and other assorted crazies on YouTube, and doesn't understand how capitalism works.