An Idiot Abroad...(Once Again)

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Trump Once Again Assails America’s Friends as He Opens Overseas Visit

OSAKA, Japan — President Trump plunged back into the world of international diplomacy on Friday with characteristic provocation, keeping some of America’s closest allies, including his hosts, off balance even as he sought advantage on an array of economic and security disputes with profound consequences.

Mr. Trump opened a series of high-stakes meetings with world leaders gathered in Osaka, Japan, for an international summit meeting after calling into question the very foundation of the relationship between the United States and two of its most important friends, Japan and Germany, and lashing out at a third partner, India.

The Japanese leaders hosting the meetings were still reeling Friday morning at the president’s attack on the mutual defense treaty that has been the bedrock between Washington and Tokyo for nearly seven decades.

Before arriving in Osaka, Mr. Trump complained that under the treaty, Japan would not come to the aid of the United States if it were attacked and instead would “watch it on a Sony television.”[I guess nobody told him about all the support Japan has provided for US operations in Afghanistan since we were attacked on 9/11]

German leaders have grown more accustomed to shrugging off Mr. Trump’s attacks on Berlin as a security freeloader taking advantage of America’s defense umbrella while India was left trying to manage the president’s complaints about its trade policies without provoking him into the sort of tariff war escalation he has engaged in with China.

The choice of targets seemed directly tied to the president’s schedule of meetings on Friday. He was set to sit down with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan, the host of the annual Group of 20 gathering in Osaka, and then jointly with Mr. Abe and Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India. Then he was to meet separately with Mr. Modi. After that, he was scheduled to sit down with Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany.

By contrast, Mr. Trump said nothing critical before arriving in Osaka about the fourth leader on his diplomatic schedule for Friday, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, whose government waged a systematic campaign to interfere in American elections in 2016 and has arrested two Americans on what critics consider false charges.

[Well that's understandable...it would be really bad form to insult the boss right before your quarterly performance review...]

Nor did he say anything negative about his breakfast date for Saturday morning, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, who was just accused by the United Nations of having most likely orchestrated the murder and dismemberment of a Saudi journalist living in the United States.

In saving his critiques for America’s friends, Mr. Trump repeated his approach to visiting Britain earlier in the month.

In the latest case, he lashed out at Japan’s mutual defense treaty with the United States, the underpinning of the relationship between the two countries dating back to the early years after World War II. After Bloomberg News reported that he had privately talked about pulling out of the treaty, :loon he raised the subject without even being asked about it during an interview on Fox Business Network on Wednesday.

“We have a treaty with Japan,” Mr. Trump said. “If Japan is attacked, we will fight World War III. We will go in and we will protect them and we will fight with our lives and with our treasure. We will fight at all costs, right? But if we’re attacked, Japan doesn’t have to help us at all. They can watch it on a Sony television, the attack.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/worl ... p-g20.html
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And then today, re his first encounter with his BFF:
When journalists asked Trump just before he left for Japan what he would like to talk to Putin about, he told them it was “none of your business”. As they sat alongside each other, a reporter asked whether he was going to tell Putin not to meddle in the 2020 election.

Trump said: “Yes, of course I will,” drawing a laugh from Putin. Then, without looking at Putin, Trump said briskly: “Don’t meddle in the election, please,” and then repeated the phrase with a mock finger wag as Putin and the US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, smiled broadly.
He really is a danger to the state. We are frogs, and the hot tub is just getting hotter.

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Ad what really scares me is that he could win again if (or is it when?) the dems shoot themselves in the foot?

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There is no doubt that it’s when. The real question is if they can minimize the damage they inflict on themselves.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Sad but true. I remember when Trump couldn't win during the campaign, and when W was destined to lose in 2004. I am concerned about 2020; 4 more years of Trump is not an acceptable option, but we may wind up with it unless the dems get ther act together.

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I am reading Tim Bouverie's Appeasement which is an almost day-by-day account of the rise of Nazism and how the British, American and French powers-that-were allowed it to happen. Of course we know the end of the story so we have the benefit of hindsight: but almost page by page I am screaming at them - how could you not see? I know that the still fresh horrors of WW1 were uppermost in most of their minds - and it's possible that Chamberlain, who did not serve in the trenches because he was already 45 in 1914, was even more opposed to war than most of his Cabinet because he did not want to be accused of sending young men to their deaths when he had not himself served.

I don't want to go all Godwin on you all, but the parallels - despite the mounting evidence we don't want this to be true so we'll pretend it's not happening - are overwhelming.

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Trump said: “Yes, of course I will,” drawing a laugh from Putin. Then, without looking at Putin, Trump said briskly: “Don’t meddle in the election, please,” and then repeated the phrase with a mock finger wag as Putin and the US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, smiled broadly."
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Does Trump even know that under provisions of the surrender signed by Japan on board the USS Missouri in 1945, they are PROHIBITED from having a standing army or navy?  Even their Constitution (drafted for them by the United States in 1947) spells out that Japan forever renounces war as an instrument for settling international disputes and declares that Japan will never again maintain "land, sea, or air forces or other war potential."  It wasn't until the 1950s and the Korean conflict that they were even allowed to create a "National Police Reserve" of approximately 75000 men armed with light infantry weapons, which eventually over the years became the "Japan Self-Defense Forces", meant only to protect the Home Islands in case of attack.  And even then, the Security Treaty Between the United States and Japan (signed in September 1951) allowed United States forces stationed in Japan to deal with external aggression against Japan while Japanese ground and maritime forces would deal with internal threats and natural disasters.  The treaty also permitted the United States to act for the sake of maintaining peace in East Asia and exert its power on Japanese domestic quarrels.

Once again Trump shows just how ignorant and unqualified he is to hold any public office above the level of truant officer or dog-catcher.
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Once again Trump shows just how ignorant and unqualified he is to hold any public office above the level of truant officer or dog-catcher.
I wouldn't wish tRump's idiocy on animals or children.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Trump said: “Yes, of course I will,” drawing a laugh from Putin. Then, without looking at Putin, Trump said briskly: “Don’t meddle in the election, please,” and then repeated the phrase with a mock finger wag as Putin and the US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, smiled broadly."
It's worth reflecting,as we approach our Independence Day celebrations, on just what an extraordinary moment we are in...

We have a President Of the United States, who, having already won the office in part with the help of a hostile foreign power, (help which the Mueller Report makes clear he and his henchmen welcomed, even if conspiracy couldn't be proven under the law beyond a reasonable doubt) is now making shamelessly clear he wants that help again to win re-election...

Receiving aid from a hostile foreign power is a central part of his re-election strategy, and thus he refuses to raise one finger to prevent it from happening...

He's not just indifferent to Russian interference in our elections, (which would be odious enough for an American President) he actively and enthusiastically seeks it; he's counting on it...

The refusal to use the full powers of his office to prevent this interference makes our President part of an active assault against the United States to undermine the 2020 elections...

This isn't something he did in the past, or even something he is doing in the present to try to cover up what he did in the past; this is him acting in the present to further crimes with future effects...

It is at the very least a gross violation of his Oath Of Office...

At the very most, it is flat out treason...

And yet we have become so accustomed to the gross level of criminality and corruption of this man and his regime that it gets treated as just "one more thing"...

There ought to be hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people marching in the streets, demanding his impeachment and removal....(and prosecution)

But as a nation he has so conditioned us (like the frog in the pot of water that is gradually made hotter and hotter) to his misdeeds that the public outrage amounts to crickets....

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Re the PM race in UK: we see people excusing Johnson on the grounds that, well, it's just Boris being Boris. We see the same here. Of course Trump would welcome "It's not normal" - part of his schtick (sp???) is that where we are today is due to generations of 'normal.'

I agree that 'thinking outside the box' or 'pushing the envelope' is often a useful characteristic. But it's by no means an 'if and only if' qualification as way too many seem to think.

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From a HuffPost piece about Trump apparently failing to understand the term 'busing' and thinking that Putin's remarks about the decline of Western liberalism were about California.
Even Trump’s critics were taken aback by his comments. Lawyer George Conway, husband of senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, called his answers “completely bizarre,” and wondered if the president was “breathtakingly ignorant” or his answers were a sign of “cognitive decline.”
It's both, George.

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Damn. North Korea let him leave. And South Korea let him back in.




Also too:
  • Look, I'm all for talking instead of shooting, but explain to me how this is different from Iran?

    If Iran had nukes, would Trump suddenly treat THEM with respect?

    Maybe I might see their point here.
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I’m so disappointed North Korea didn’t keep him.
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Or even try to hold him hostage; it would end up being like that O Henry story.

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Big RR wrote:Or even try to hold him hostage; it would end up being like that O Henry story.

I thought about that as well (taking him hostage), and the "no negotiation with terrorists" policy, but I was worried his minions would end up bombing or shooting something in North Korea, and we'd be in a war, and he sure as hell isn't worth that.
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the "no negotiation with terrorists" policy
I thought of that one too...

"We'd love to talk to you about taking him back, but unfortunately we have a 'no negotiation with terrorists' policy, so you took him, you bought him..."
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Look on the bright side, if they DID take him, NK would eventually give us anything just to take him back.

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