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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby Guinevere » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:02 am

Can you read? Did I say that anywhere? Have I ever said that?

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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby Joe Guy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:47 am

I agree with @w. If you’re in politics especially, you should be careful who you spend time with. Some women can be very evil, just like some men.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby MajGenl.Meade » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:49 am

The world is full of shitty things that should never have happened. Look at Sean Hanitty.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby MajGenl.Meade » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:20 pm

The world is full of shitty things that should never have happened. Look at Sean Hanitty.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby Big RR » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:45 pm

Meade--would a chaperone of any sort really prevent this? During Victorian times (if movies are correct :D ) chaperones were often employed in meetings among the genders and people still developed affection and fell in love.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby MajGenl.Meade » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:55 pm

Who knows? But you're still thinking of single people with a chaperone. The point here is a married person not being alone with a person of the opposite sex. Of course, "thoughts" can still happen in groups and in a football stadium crowd. But if a person believes that it's best not be alone with a person of the other sex, then let it be so. What's wrong with it?

There's a married lady friend of ours - and her rule is not to be alone with a man other than her husband. She wouldn't go out for a cup of coffee with me alone and NOT because she's avoiding an uncontrollable urge to attack my studly body. I am glad she has that rule (as do I) because I find her very attractive. If she and I started hanging out together, here and there, all innocent-like, it might become awkward. One of us might misinterpret (or interpret!) something. At minimum, there's a friendship (and at maximum, two marriages) down the drain. Such accidents don't happen when spouses are present.

I'll not be dishonest and claim immunity from human weakness. Best if I avoid the possibilities.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby BoSoxGal » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:42 pm

Married people begin affairs with other married and unmarried people whom they’ve first met or socialized with in the presence of their spouses ALL THE TIME. Rules against spending time alone with a person of the opposite sex minus one’s spouse are not a panacea against adultery; lots of affairs these days begin and largely exist online - there are many Christian spouses who commit infidelity using their phone or tablet or laptop while their spouse is sitting unaware in the same damn room, maybe even on the same sofa!

Back in Victorian and other olden days, ONLY married people were allowed to share company with friends of the opposite sex outside the presence of a chaperone - it was the unmarried who required chaperones to avoid falling to temptation.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby Sue U » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:57 pm

Oh for fuck's sake, I have never seen so many people so incapable of believing they can actually choose to act like mature adults in person-to-person interactions -- particularly in the workplace. If you are so fearful of straying from your own marriage, maybe you shouldn't be married in the first place. Behaving like a professional is usually sufficient to be treated like a professional in professional circumstances. In social situations, if you require a chaperone to have coffee with a friend because one or both of you "might misinterpret (or interpret!) something," then you need to examine the nature of your friendship and/or make some (adult) choices about how you live. Respect yourself, respect others, don't be a creep, and you'll never have to worry about what anybody else thinks.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby TPFKA@W » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:15 pm

OFFS I can't believe how many obfuscate and distort this to be about temptation when it is clearly about saving one's reputation. :fu :fu :fu
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby rubato » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:37 pm

If there were a justification for this he would have to require a chaperone when with a man as well as a woman. The fact that he does not proves it is troglodyte sexism.


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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby MajGenl.Meade » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:28 am

The world is full of shitty things that should never have happened. Look at Sean Hanitty.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby Scooter » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:41 pm

That there are an appreciable number of people whose work routinely includes 1 on 1 meetings with a person of the opposite sex, who would lay awake at night scheming about how they could use one or more of these meetings to allege conduct so depraved as to ruin a reputation, weaving the lies so convincingly as to be accepted as true without any corroboration, is a patently absurd notion.

If this were really a threat requiring such an extreme response, there would be countless men accused of committing rape or other crimes in their workplace. And of course all of those uncorroborated accusations would be taken as gospel, because we all know that women alleging rape are always believed.

In his personal life, Foster can choose whom to associate with, or not, for whatever reasons he chooses. But he is seeking high elected office, and the price of his chosen means of self-protection, whether from his own weakness or someone else's malice, should not be borne by women who work in the government he may run, or whose work depends on interacting with that government, who will be sidelined or excluded outright from any role that Foster deems to carry a risk of inappropriate contact.
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby MajGenl.Meade » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:30 pm

What he said
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby Bicycle Bill » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:26 am

Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

Postby rubato » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:23 am

In Kaiser Permanente Male OB/Gyns are entitled to having a 'chaperone' for pelvic exams, generally a medical assistant or nurse who also speeds visits by performing other work for the MD. This has caused bitterness among the female OB/Gyns who think they should get equal support (and who are just as vulnerable to false accusations of misconduct).

If anyone was paying attention to the Cosby rape cases and the Metoo movement women are more likely to NOT report sexual exploitation than they are to do so falsely.

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Re: You really, really, REALLY couldn't make this shit up

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