Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace

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Darren
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Lord Jim wrote:
She is of course referring to the demonstrations brought on by the Iranian regime's initial dishonesty about shooting down the plane; nothing to do with their feelings about Solemani.

She's pointing out the distinction between these folks and contrasting them with the 40% of Americans who apparently don't care about the non-stop lying of Trump and his regime...
I stand on the fact that not only are American's happy at Soleimani's death but also Iraqis and Iranians who suffered at his hand.

I'm hoping the repressive regime in Iran is toppled and peace can prevail in the Middle East. You can choose to interpret events in a manner detrimental to Trump no matter what. That to me is intellectual dishonesty.

"Yet in parts of the Middle East, the reaction was different. Soleimani, a man thought of as invincible and all-powerful in the region, was killed at about 1 a.m. local time, just as he was leaving Baghdad airport. By 4:30 a.m., a group of Iraqis was marching—running, even—though the country’s capital carrying a large Iraqi flag, celebrating his death. In one video, a man’s voice can be heard lauding the killing, saying the deaths of Iraqi protesters had been avenged."

"More recently, in Iraq, he was instrumental in the violent crackdown against protests that had erupted in October. The protesters’ ire targeted not only the corruption and mismanagement of their own politicians, but Iran’s role in both, as well as its overbearing control over the country through proxy Shiite militias loyal to Tehran. “We in Iran know how to deal with protesters,” Soleimani had reportedly told Iraqi officials in October. “This happened in Iran and we got it under control.” Though Iraqis have continued to take to the streets, more than 500 of them have been killed. Demonstrations in Iran were also brutally crushed—more than 1,000 died in the crackdown there, according to Iranian officials."

Soleimani didn't deserve a quick death.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ed/604396/
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Let me speak simply and plainly, Darren.

Whatever social injustice issue/development Iranians are celebrating or protesting, they get my admiration for being out there doing it under threat of torture and death - while Americans who have the absolute right to freedom of expression (at least for the moment, still), 98% of the time just can’t be arsed.

I’m sure many celebrated the death of the military dictator. But many are also out there rioting over their lying officials - while here the vast majority of us just stir up electrons to express our discontent. Perhaps it’s true that in the shade of liberty and abundance is where democracy dies. Perhaps most Americans won’t ever get off their asses until they’ve allowed Trump - or someone like him - to steal their freedoms away.
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Darren —
  • "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."
    — Robert A. Heinlein
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
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Econoline wrote:Darren —
  • "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."
    — Robert A. Heinlein
You can't get much more simple than that.

BTW -- you have read Darren's sigline, right? It says it all.
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What sigline? <snert>
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Hans Island -- roll the tape!

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