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From the CNN piece BSG linked.
In the new study, among the 84 patients who took hydroxychloroquine, 20.2% were admitted to the ICU or died within seven days of taking the drug. Among the 97 patients who did not take the drug, 22.1% went to the ICU or died.

The difference was not determined to be statistically different.

Looking just at deaths, 2.8% of the patients who took hydroxychloroquine died, and 4.6% of the patients who did not take it died. That difference was also not found to be statistically significant.
Some of these numbers seem odd. If there are 84 patients who took the HCQ and 2.8% of them died, that means 2.35 of them died. That number has to be an integer; and 2 deaths would be 2/84 = 2.4% and 3 deaths would be 3.6%. Similarly 4.6% of the 97 who did not take the HCQ died; that's 4.46 deaths. 4 deaths would be 4.1%; 5 would be 5.1%. Weird. Yes these differences seem to be insignificant. I ran a quick Fisher test using an online calculator I have not used before and it is not significant even at p <0.1 so no, it don't work. But I would like to read that study. I see that it is not behind a paywall so maybe there is an explanation for those weird numbers. I will take a look.

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Unmasked mailrauders:
A small-town police department in Maryland has reminded residents to wear pants while checking the mail, yet another sign that many people working during stay-at-home orders are dressing casually, if they're getting dressed at all.

"Please remember to put pants on before leaving the house to check your mailbox. You know who you are. This is your final warning," the Taneytown Police Department wrote in a Facebook post Tuesday.

This isn't the first time the department, which serves about 7,200 citizens, has used its social media account to post topical commentary to its 11,000 followers.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 140750002/
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One straw-man that Trump keeps hawking that I have really become tired of (well, I'm tired of all of them, but this one is going to get people killed) is this notion that people who want the federal government to take the lead role, they're saying they expect the government to be out administering tests in Walmart parking lots... :loon

Dear President Moron,

Nobody expects or wants the federal government to send out federal employees to administer the tests. What's being called for here, (and what is required if one wants to help hasten the day when more and more businesses can resume something resembling normal, which you claim to be your top priority) is a Manhattan Project level crash program to PRODUCE testing kits; for testing of all types; testing non-symptomatic members of the general population, so we can base decisions on good science about the extent of the what we are dealing with (right now for the most part, we are only testing healthcare and first responders, and those ill and symptomatic enough to qualify for the limited amount of testing resources available.) testing for a rigorous contact trace program for newly infected, and of course serological testing, to identify those who have been coronavirus positive but could now presumably safely re-enter the work place environment.

And these tests have to be reliable with low false negative results...

If achieving this is left solely to the states (or even the regional state coalitions that are emerging across the country to fill the void of national leadership) it will be a very long process to achieve the goals you claim to want to achieve, and the economy will be further damaged.

If you genuinely care about the things you claim to care about, then your whole focus should be on massive testing kit production; to achieve this end you need to immediately fully invoke The Defense Production Act and issue the order to every manufacturing company with the capacity to do so retool for the manufacture of these test kits (conservatively, tens of millions will e needed; the best scientific analysis avail estimates 3-7 million tests per week will be needed to meet the desired knowledge base to really move forward with significant reopening of the economy; though of course even with all these measures we will never fully get back to that level until there is a vaccine)

The only role you need to play in distribution is to provide the test kits to the states based on the needs, completely absent political considerations. As you suggested, it is the states and localities who are best positioned to handle the "on the ground" distribution

I know you don't give a damn about how many Americans die, but somehow you have apparently taken it into your head that showing the leadership required on testing would somehow be politically damaging to you. On the contrary, your failure to do this is revealing to the whole electorate what a weak and fearful leader you are, despite all your empty bluster.
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And now, here are the alternative coronavirus stats:

• more than half a million people have recovered.

• In almost all the worst affected countries, the number of new cases reported each day is falling.

• In the time it took Covid-19 to kill 120,000 people this year, 36 million babies were born.

• The vast majority of infected individuals show no symptoms, according to an (albeit small) study from China.

• £17m. The amount you can raise by walking around your garden.
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More bleach in the shallow end of the gene pool...
President Donald Trump urged supporters to 'LIBERATE' three states led by Democratic governors Friday, apparently encouraging the growing protests against the stay-at-home restrictions aimed at stopping the coronavirus.

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A day after laying out a roadmap to gradually reopen the crippled economy, Trump took to Twitter with the kind of rhetoric some of his supporters have used in demanding the lifting of the orders that have thrown millions of Americans out of work.

'LIBERATE MINNESOTA!' 'LIBERATE MICHIGAN!' 'LIBERATE VIRGINIA,' he said in a tweet-storm in which he also lashed out at New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo for criticizing the federal response.

Trump has repeatedly expressed his desire to see businesses reopen quickly and claimed earlier this week that he possesses total authority over the matter, even though the lockdowns and other social-distancing measures have been imposed by state and local leaders, not Washington.

Washington Governor Jay Inslee said on Friday that Trump’s comments about 'liberating' parts of the country from coronavirus stay-at-home orders put millions of Americans at risk of contracting COVID-19.

Inslee, a Democrat, said in a statement that Trump is encouraging 'illegal and dangerous acts.'

'His unhinged rantings and calls for people to "liberate" states could also lead to violence. We've seen it before,' Inslee said.

'The president is fomenting domestic rebellion and spreading lies even while his own administration says the virus is real and is deadly.'

Washington State saw the nation's first confirmed coronavirus case in January, as well as the first deadly cluster at a Seattle-area nursing home.

More than 11,150 people in Washington state have tested positive for the virus and more than 580 have died.

The virus causes mild to moderate symptoms in most patients, and the vast majority recover.

But it is highly contagious and can be spread by those who appear healthy and can cause severe illness and death in some patients, particularly the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

In Huntington Beach, California, around 100 demonstrators defied the state's stay-at-home orders and gathered in downtown to protest the continued lockdown.

The protest, which was organized through social media, included people holding signs which read 'Live free or die.'

Some of the protesters periodically erupted in chants of 'USA! USA!' while motorists driving by honked their horns in support, The Orange County Register reported.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html
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Crowds of beachgoers have charged on to the beaches in Jacksonville, Florida after the shores reopened to the public despite the coronavirus pandemic.

Jacksonville beaches reopened at 5pm on Friday under limited hours and use restrictions, even as Florida recorded its highest single-day increase in confirmed coronavirus cases.

Photos and video from the scene show enthusiastic residents cheering as they ran out onto the sand after weeks of closures.

Florida Department of Health said confirmed cases in the state rose by 1,421 Friday, the highest one-day number yet. The total number of cases in Florida is now 24,753. The number of deaths has reached 726, an increase of 58 in the last 24 hours.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ENING.html
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:lol: cute... :D
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Those numbers do not correct for population vs. death

Sweden for example is losing far more to death per 1 million of population than the USA. So are UK, France, Italy, Spain and plucky little Belgium (which is worse than any of those mentioned here).

Of those on the graph, only Germany, South Korea and China have a lower death rate per million than the USA. But we're trying our best, eh Florida?
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For those who keep touting the "other causes of death have been worse" mantra:

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OFFS, seriously?
When big white field hospital tents appeared in Central Park in late March, they became a potent symbol of the scale and severity of New York’s coronavirus crisis.

But just over two weeks since the opening of the 68-bed facility run by Franklin Graham’s organisation Samaritan’s Purse, questions are mounting over why the controversial religious leader viewed by many to be homophobic, Islamophobic and politically extreme was chosen to perform this vital role outside Mount Sinai hospital on Fifth Avenue, and who sanctioned it.

Graham, a close ally whom Donald Trump praised in a recent briefing, has previously described Islam as “evil” and has described gay people as “the enemy”. Coronavirus, he recently said, was a result of “the sin that’s in the world”.

Samaritan’s Purse – which has so far treated 130 coronavirus patients and has about 90 staff at the Central Park field hospital – requires all staff and volunteers to sign a “statement of faith”.

Statements in the document include “we believe that marriage is exclusively the union of one genetic male and one genetic female” and “human life is sacred from conception to its natural end”.

The decision to allow the group to run such a key Covid-19 effort in the city has drawn protests from both activists and politicians.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 9-hospital
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Thanks for posting that graph, Scooter...

Those comparisons have been ridiculous and disgusting on many levels and in many ways, not the least of which is that they compare annual stats to the deaths that have occurred from this scourge in just three months...

And the last time I checked, car crashes, cancer, and heart disease weren't contagious... :loon
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I don't care much for Franklin Graham and his religious/political views. I care a lot less for PC assholes with nothing better to do than whine when somebody is doing something valuable to help the helpless.
Mr. Graham said Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational evangelical organization that often works in developing countries, had never discriminated against a patient. But he said that the group had a right to “lawfully hire staff who share our Christian beliefs” because it is a religious charity.

“It seems tone-deaf to be attacking our religious conviction about marriage at the very moment thousands of New Yorkers are fighting for their lives and dozens of Samaritan’s Purse workers are placing their lives at risk to provide critical medical care,” he wrote...

...Mount Sinai has been criticized for weeks over its decision to collaborate with Samaritan’s Purse. Jason Kaplan, a spokesman for the hospital network, said the decision was based on the fact that “this virus kills people of every religious beliefs, ethnicity, gender identity and sexual orientation.”

Mr. Kaplan also said that Samaritan’s Purse had agreed to adhere to Mount Sinai’s anti-discrimination policies.

“Mount Sinai and Samaritan’s Purse are unified in our mission to provide the same world-class care to anyone and everyone who needs it,” Mr. Kaplan said in an email. “No questions asked.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyre ... virus.html
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Yesterday I caught some of the One World: Together at Home Concert...(Co-hosted by Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert...they raised 128 million to support medical personnel)

One of the segments I saw was a joint appearance (from separate locations of course; they are sheltering-in-place at different locations) by former First Ladies Laura Bush and Michelle Obama...

It was truly a breath of fresh air in an atmosphere of political madness at the top...

That folks is what "normal" looks like...(unfortunately I haven't been able to find it on Youtube to post)

That is what is supposed to happen when we are confronted with a national crisis of this sort; a coming together of patriotic Americans across the political spectrum to lend a hand...(Just as Bill Clinton and Bush 41 did after the devastating Asian earthquake and tidal wave...)

What is NOT normal, and what can NEVER be permitted to be seen as normal, is a President blatantly seeking to figure out a way to divide the nation in the hopes that this will somehow enhance his re-election prospects, (even to the point of fomenting insurrection) deaths of the citizens he is supposed to lead be damned...
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Gob wrote:
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Econoline wrote:
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The very basic premise of this meme is sound, but it vastly overstates the transmission rate of each infected. The R0 of coronavirus is thought to be 2-3; each infected person infects 2-3 other people. Not per day, but in total. Some people might infect more, but others will infect less - because most people have a small circle of persons with whom they come into contact on a regular daily basis.

There’s a bunch of really great information online about how the R0 of infectious disease is calculated/modeled, so I won’t belabor it here. But I would definitely not share that meme widely because it’s way overstating the contagiousness of the illness. Even measles isn’t that contagious and it has an R0 of 18; but again, 18 total, not 18 every single day a person is infected.

I mean I suppose it works if it’s intended to scare the pants off people - but then if they look it up they’ll figure it out as misinformation and lose faith in the source. So unintended consequences.
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With more and more testing I'm seeing rumors of Cuomo considering butt whistles during the first phase of reopening. Anyone testing positive for the virus would be required to wear one. Passing gas in public would then alert people near by of a potential viral release.

OTOH he doesn't think a different pitched whistle for those carrying antibodies should be required.
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With your head jammed so far up your ass, you wouldn't have to worry about that because you'd only be farting into your own mouth.
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