More "Golden State" Idiocy

[dales]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A proposal to establish a task force to study and prepare recommendations for how to give reparations to African Americans passed the California Assembly on Thursday.

The bill advanced with a 56-5 vote as protests nationwide over police brutality re-energized the movement for racial justice and activists pressed for sweeping reforms. It is a top priority for California's Legislative Black Caucus.

If the bill passes the Senate and is signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom, eight people with backgrounds in racial justice reforms would lead a study into who would be eligible for compensation due to slavery and how it should be awarded.

Assemblywoman Shirley Weber, a Democrat from San Diego who wrote the bill, said the study would reiterate California's history of abetting slavery, even as it joined the union as a “free state” in 1850.

“The discriminatory practices of the past echo into the everyday lives of today's Californians,” said Weber, who leads the Legislative Black Caucus.

The panel would start meeting no later than June 2021.

The panel's top matter will be how it lays out the case for justifying reparations, 155 years after slavery was abolished, said Lisa Holder, an attorney who teaches about civil rights at UCLA School of Law.

“The response really has to be framed around the issue of continuing racial injustice that started back in 1619 when Africans were stolen from Africa and brought here as enslaved people,” Holder said, adding black people still deal with racial discrimination. “Then you don't get into this messy, unintelligible notion of who is directly linked to a slave.”

Congress last June held the first hearing on reparations in over a decade about a bill to study providing compensation to atone for the country's history of slavery. But the legislation did not make it to a vote.


The federal government has given reparations before. After 120,000 Japanese Americans were held at internment camps during World War II, the U.S. government apologized and in 1988 paid $20,000 to each surviving victim.

“We seem to recognize that justice requires that those who have been treated unjustly need the means to make themselves whole again,” Weber said.

Another priority of California's Legislative Black Caucus passed Wednesday when the Assembly approved a proposal to repeal California's affirmative action ban. Voters will decide on the measure in November if the Senate approves the bill by June 25.

[Bicycle Bill]

"Nice state you got here ... it would be a real shame if something happened to it."

Why does this sound like we are paying off the blacks in much the same way a small businessman pays 'protection money' to the neighborhood gangster so he doesn't have any 'problems' like theft or a fire?  And then what do we do when the Chinese, or the Irish, or the Native Americans or — God forbid — women also demand reparations for the systemic repressions and indignities their ancestors were forced to bear?

And the reference to the reparations paid to Japanese survivors of the WWII internment camps is nothing but a smoke screen.  Now, if you can find me a LIVING person who had been a slave prior to the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment....

Further proof why Kellogg's should relocate from Battle Creek MI to someplace in the Golden State.  That's where most of the flakes and nuts are.

-"BB"-

[Joe Guy]

I suggest that California buy Greenland and split it up among everyone who has proof they are related to a slave or are currently a slave. They would need at least three forms of ID showing linkage, including a birth certificate, certified slave ID and a DNA sample.

[Scooter]

And the reference to the reparations paid to Japanese survivors of the WWII internment camps is nothing but a smoke screen.  Now, if you can find me a LIVING person who had been a slave prior to the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment....

One, the negative consequences of slavery did not magically end in 1865, but persist down to this day. And two, just as interest compounds on wealth to increase its value, the systemic barriers preventing former slaves and their descendants from an equitable share in the benefits of society have compounded that injustice right down to today; they are rooted in slavery and in the subsequent sequential intentional policies designed to maintain African-Americans as a subjugated class, as slaves in everything but name.

Do you want a much more recent example than slavery, how about the G.I. Bill, probably the single greatest initiative to build the wealth of American families. And yet in both design and implementation it largely excluded African-Americans from accessing its benefits for decades, a sop to Southern politicians needed to secure its passage, who were intent on keeping their n-gg-rs down in the dirt where they belonged. How about redlining, that excluded African-Americans from building wealth through home ownership? How about not effectively getting voting rights until 100 years after slavery ended on paper, only to have court decisions of recent years obliterate the legislative mechanisms for maintaining those rights, giving way to blatant gerrymandering and voter suppression?

Slavery may have "officially" ended in 1865, but it spawned offspring just as insidious and with greater longevity.

The bill for all that is long past due, and demands that it be paid in full with interest are only going to grow stronger. The form that payment may take is going to be much more complex than simply cutting a lot of cheques, which is how those intent on never seeing the debt paid insist on framing the issue in order to ridicule and dismiss it.

[dales]

It will never be paid off.

There are enough race-grifters who will see to that.

[Scooter]

[dales]

Further proof why Kellogg's should relocate from Battle Creek MI to someplace in the Golden State. That's where most of the flakes and nuts are.

What many don't realize about CALIFORNIA is that it has a large area that is quite conservative (the San Joaquin Valley and the northeast counties).

That would be akin for me mistaking all of Wisconsin is like those silly leftists in Madison.

[Scooter]

[Bicycle Bill]

Further proof why Kellogg's should relocate from Battle Creek MI to someplace in the Golden State. That's where most of the flakes and nuts are.

What many don't realize about CALIFORNIA is that it has a large area that is quite conservative (the San Joaquin Valley and the northeast counties).

That would be akin for me mistaking all of Wisconsin is like those silly leftists in Madison.

It wasn't just the 'leftists' in Madison who occupied the Capitol when Snottie Wanker tried to turn Wisconsin in a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Koch Brothers and the reactionary Republicans back during his first term as the ⃥C⃥h⃥i⃥e⃥f⃥ ⃥L⃥a⃥c⃥k⃥e⃥y⃥ Governor — we came from all across the state.

I can think of worse things that I (and many other Wisconsinites) could be mistaken for.   In fact, some of us might even consider it a compliment to be compared to the 'leftists' in Madison.

-"BB"-

[BoSoxGal]

The Case for Reparations

Read it, then offer substantive arguments against it - not ignorant race-baiting nonsense.

[Darren]

"Over the past two years, High Country News has located more than 99% of all Morrill Act acres, identified their original Indigenous inhabitants and caretakers, and researched the principal raised from their sale in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. We reconstructed approximately 10.7 million acres taken from nearly 250 tribes, bands and communities through over 160 violence-backed land cessions, a legal term for the giving up of territory.

Our data shows how the Morrill Act turned Indigenous land into college endowments. It reveals two open secrets: First, according to the Morrill Act, all money made from land sales must be used in perpetuity, meaning those all money made from land sales must be used in perpetuity, meaning those funds still remain on university ledgers to this day. And secondly, at least 12 states are still in possession of unsold Morrill acres as well as associated mineral rights, which continue to produce revenue for their designated institutions."

https://www.hcn.org/issues/52.4/indigen ... iversities

[Scooter]

Look, a squirrel!

There's a great case to be made for reparations to indigenous peoples. Canada has created a great model for lands that were seized without treaty or where treaty terms were not lived up to, and for victims of the residential school system.

Now, that negates the need for reparations for African-Americans how, exactly?

[Darren]

Look, a squirrel!

There's a great case to be made for reparations to indigenous peoples. Canada has created a great model for lands that were seized without treaty or where treaty terms were not lived up to, and for victims of the residential school system.

Now, that negates the need for reparations for African-Americans how, exactly?

You sort of got it right, Scooter. Here's a hint racism is a squirrel but it is one that's worthy of being addressed.

Now that you know it's a squirrel, what does that say about a society that's failing at education, a military that serves generals and admirals best, happily sends jobs overseas, encourages a self-serving bureaucracy, failed at the War on Poverty, Drugs & Terror, passed into law various law and order measures (three strikes and you're out, asset forfeiture) etc. all of which contributed to the increasing rot?

If you want to continue with your virtue signalling, carry on. BLM does matter but it won't be solved w/o addressing the total rot.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Did you read BSG's linked article? This one

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... 9YQAvD_BwE

Thought not.

[Scooter]

"Virtue signalling" is a term invented by those who profit by maintaining the status quo in order to denigrate those who push for change, rather than address their arguments for it. Ad hominem at its finest.

[Darren]

"Virtue signalling" is a term invented by those who profit by maintaining the status quo in order to denigrate those who push for change, rather than address their arguments for it. Ad hominem at its finest.

Thanks for explaining that, Scooter. I thought it was gamma males pretending to be beta males in hopes of getting laid.

[Scooter]

"Beta male" is a term invented by those who are insecure in their own masculinity and sexuality.

[dales]

Did you read BSG's linked article? This one

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... 9YQAvD_BwE

Thought not.

Think again Meade.

I scanned it rather quickly and there are some good points made.

OK?

[dales]

Submitted for anyone's perusal:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/05/ ... illiamson/

[Bicycle Bill]

The Case for Reparations

Read it, then offer substantive arguments against it - not ignorant race-baiting nonsense.

I'll offer the two most substantive argument there are ....
1)  Shit happens.
2)  Nowhere is it written that life was fair.

-"BB"-