China has a problem and it's not the Wuhan flu.

[Darren]

did you miss the fact that glaciers are melting everywhere in the world?

yrs,
rubato

Everywhere?

Why are people still investing millions in resort property in the Seychelles? Weren't they supposed to be under water?

Why did both the Gores and Obamas buy oceanfront property? What do they know that you do not?

"A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice."

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/na ... an-losses/

[ex-khobar Andy]

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally [lead athor of the study Darren cited above] said. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

[Darren]

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[Darren]

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally [lead athor of the study Darren cited above] said. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

Land is still rebounding from the retreat of glaciers long ago. Plate tectonics is always ongoing. Africa is splitting apart. Erosion of mountains is still creating deltas. Name your poison.

Are you one of the ones that craps themselves when a Rhode Island sized piece of ice shelf calves?

Some seem to think ice shelves should continue growing to the Equator. The Earth changed long before we became sentient (LOL) and continues to change. If you want the truth look at Dr. Judith Curry's free material.

Corporations that want facts pay for her advice.

Anyone that tells me they can determine sea level changes in fractions of millimeters is full of it.

[Darren]

"The UK has suspended an extradition treaty with Hong Kong following the imposition of controversial new security laws on the territory by China.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab announced the "necessary and proportionate" measure in a statement to the House of Commons on Monday.

The UK will also extend to Hong Kong the arms embargo it has applied to mainland China since 1989, Mr Raab said.

"The extension of this embargo will mean there will be no exports from the UK to Hong Kong of potentially lethal weapons, their components or ammunition," the foreign secretary told MPs.

"It will also mean a ban on the export of any equipment - not already banned - which might be used for internal repression; such as shackles, intercept equipment, firearms and smoke grenades.""

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-suspends- ... w-12032622

[Darren]

"BEIJING (AP) — Authorities in central China blasted a dam Sunday to release surging waters behind it amid widespread flooding across the country that has claimed scores of lives.

State broadcaster CCTV reported the dam on the Chuhe River in Anhui province was destroyed with explosives early Sunday morning, after which the water level was expected to drop by 70 centimeters (more than 2 feet).

Water levels on many rivers, including the mighty Yangtze, have have been unusually high this year because of torrential rains.

Blasting dams and embankments to discharge water was an extreme response employed during China’s worst floods in recent years in 1998, when more than 2,000 people died and almost 3 million homes were destroyed."

[Bicycle Bill]

"BEIJING (AP) — Authorities in central China blasted a dam Sunday to release surging waters behind it amid widespread flooding across the country that has claimed scores of lives.

State broadcaster CCTV reported the dam on the Chuhe River in Anhui province was destroyed with explosives early Sunday morning, after which the water level was expected to drop by 70 centimeters (more than 2 feet).

Water levels on many rivers, including the mighty Yangtze, have have been unusually high this year because of torrential rains.

Blasting dams and embankments to discharge water was an extreme response employed during China’s worst floods in recent years in 1998, when more than 2,000 people died and almost 3 million homes were destroyed."

And when you blast a dam and release all that water, then what happens downstream?



The Johnstown Flood.

-"BB"-

[Darren]

People upstream rarely care about people downstream. I was involved in a study that was only done twice one of which was done for a 50,000 acre watershed in WV.

The question was where was the sediment coming from that exceeded EPA standards and eventually filled the stream beds exacerbating flooding. LIDAR was used to accurately map the topography to look at possible sediment sources. The possibilities were logging, oil and gas operations, deforestation or riparian issues.

One of the drawings from the LIDAR showed all of the access roads in the watershed. It looked like worms crawling all over the ridge tops left by logging and oil and gas development.

The county also had the advantage of having all of the decennial Dept. of Agriculture flights from the first flown in 1930 at the Farm Service Bureau. After study it was determined forest cover had increased steadily since the 1940's with one brief period in the 1970's due to well location work. That loss of cover was insignificant.

An NRCS formula was used for runoff calculations.

The surprise result was that neither logging, oil and gas work nor deforestation was responsible for the erosion. The issue was landowners clear cutting stream bank vegetation to prevent flooding. Instead of slowing the runoff the higher velocities eroded their stream banks, filled the channels and resulted in more severe flooding.

None of the landowners accepted that. It's me and mine and everyone else can go to hell.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Anyone that tells me they can determine sea level changes in fractions of millimeters is full of it.

Well it's a projection not a measurement; and if you project 0.27mm/yr for 20 years (for example) that's 5.4 mm which is pretty easy to measure. (I took part in an experiment 50 years ago where a fellow student developed a sea level measuring device based on the dielectric properties of seawater which was certainly measuring sea level changes in the single digit mm range. It's easy enough to damp the oscillations you see on the sea surface. Basically you use a long tube.)

As it happens IPCC has never considered the Antarctic ice sheet as being - short term at least - a very significant contributor to sea level change. It will take more than a few degrees to create a lot of melting; and some increase in temperature will possibly change weather patterns to increase snow and ice accumulation on the continent which will to some extent cancel out increased melt.

[BoSoxGal]

Really?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp

Many climate scientists regard Thwaites glacier in West Antarctica as one of the most vulnerable and most significant glaciers in the world in terms of future global sea-level rise.

Its collapse would raise global sea levels by more than half a metre on its own, and subsequently release other major bodies of ice in West Antarctica, which together could raise sea levels by 2-3 metres. The ramifications for many countries, including most of the world’s coastal cities, would be catastrophic.

For this reason, Thwaites is known as Antarctica’s “Doomsday glacier”.

Earlier this year a team of scientists observed, for the first time, the presence of warm water at a vital point underneath the glacier, which helps explain the reason behind the extent of its decrease.

The Thwaites glacier is 74,000 square miles, roughly the size of the UK. The ice melt draining from Thwaites into the Amundsen Sea already accounts for 4 per cent of global sea-level rise but scientists are concerned its continued existence is hanging in the balance as the world warms.

. . .

Scientists previously found the extent of the instability of the Antarctic ice sheet difficult to study but improved technologies are allowing greater insight into the changes in the ice on, and surrounding, the continent.

In January, a probe designed to search for alien life on Jupiter’s Moon Europa was tested by scientists working at Thwaites.

Sounds like the findings from newer technology has scientists very concerned about melting in Antarctica - this story is all over the news this week.

[Darren]

"Dawn breaks in the crowded prison cell. Not everyone is asleep — conditions are so cramped in the 70-square-yard space that 15 of the 60 inmates have to stand to give others their turn to lie down.

The lack of privacy is absolute. Toilet breaks are rationed — two minutes at a time — and in full gaze of the others.

Glass walls, cameras and microphones mean that every word and deed is recorded.

Informants placed in each cell even note down what people say in their sleep and pass it on to guards.

As with every other day, the morning begins with compulsory singing of Communist Party songs, praising the glorious motherland and its wise leader, Xi Jinping.

Then their only meal of the day arrives. Watery cabbage soup, served with a small lump of steamed dough. If they’re lucky, they may get a few grains of rice as well."
...
Such a scene is being played out in any one of China’s secret concentration camps, dedicated to ‘re-educating’ a million or more of the country’s Muslim Uighur population in a network of hundreds of institutions built across 640,000 square miles of Western China: an area seven times the size of Britain.

Every detail of this harrowing description of life inside the ‘Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region’ — its native Uighurs call it ‘East Turkestan’ — comes from accounts that have trickled out of the region and from a huge package of internal Communist Party documents leaked last year by a brave official, disgusted by the policies he was implementing.
...
Nakedness is another dehumanising tactic. Nudity is taboo in Islam, but prisoners of all ages are made to parade before each other and in view of the guards.

For women, humiliating gynaecological inspections are mandatory. Rape is routine.

The prettier younger women disappear at nights and weep silently during the day. An injection every 15 days appears to be forced contraception — monthly periods cease.

Worst of all is the dreaded orange tabard. Prisoners assigned these soon disappear, never to be seen again.

Rumour has it that they are murdered for their organs — kidneys, corneas, hearts and livers are looted from their bodies, to fund the lucrative international black market, or serve the needs of the Communist Party elite."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... slims.html

[ex-khobar Andy]

From the IPCC 2018 report, Chapter 13, page 1170: (my underlining)

Projections of Antarctic SMB [Surface Mass Balance]
changes over the 21st century thus indicate a negative contribution
to sea level because of the projected widespread increase in snowfall
associated with warming air temperatures (Krinner et al., 2007; Uotila
et al., 2007; Bracegirdle et al., 2008).

My 'never' in my prior post was probably an overstatement. And it's certainly true to say that newer research may reach different conclusions.

[Darren]

From the IPCC 2018 report, Chapter 13, page 1170: (my underlining)

Projections of Antarctic SMB [Surface Mass Balance]
changes over the 21st century thus indicate a negative contribution
to sea level because of the projected widespread increase in snowfall
associated with warming air temperatures (Krinner et al., 2007; Uotila
et al., 2007; Bracegirdle et al., 2008).

My 'never' in my prior post was probably an overstatement. And it's certainly true to say that newer research may reach different conclusions.

That means writing off rising sea levels as a fear factor.

What's next to examine? Polar bears? Hockey stick graph? Sun spot activity? Cloud formation?

Let's look at the hockey stick graph because the lawsuit is well documented. What questions arise when the data behind support for global warming is not produced as ordered in a court of law?

Later on lets look at the time the IPCC jumped the shark according to their own personnel.

As we eliminate various fear factors ...

[ex-khobar Andy]

From the IPCC 2018 report, Chapter 13, page 1170: (my underlining)

Projections of Antarctic SMB [Surface Mass Balance]
changes over the 21st century thus indicate a negative contribution
to sea level because of the projected widespread increase in snowfall
associated with warming air temperatures (Krinner et al., 2007; Uotila
et al., 2007; Bracegirdle et al., 2008).

My 'never' in my prior post was probably an overstatement. And it's certainly true to say that newer research may reach different conclusions.

That means writing off rising sea levels as a fear factor.

NO IT DOES NOT. Learn to comprehend. If I say that current research, at least as far as I understand it, is that Antarctica will contribute little to sea level change in the short term, it means just that. There are a host of other factors - Arctic ice (e.g., Greenland, Canadian islands) plus thermal expansion of sea water to name but two - that will eventually drown LA, NYC, London etc.

[Darren]

"WE SAY BACKDOORS, BEIJING SAYS RESERVED INTERFACES

The CPC is using internal government directives to mandate that Peoples Republic of China (PRC) manufacturers of information and communication hardware embed and reserve access for CPC agents at times of its choosing into a wide swath of sectors, including major infrastructure, industrial, and service systems. “Backdoors” is the common parlance in English. The CPC refers more explicitly to “embedded and reserved interfaces [内部嵌入和预留接口],” or close derivative terms, which likely include other vulnerabilities beyond backdoors that can be inserted and exploited by CPC actors.

These interfaces hard wire an information-technology dependent world for seamless access and abuse by PRC intelligence and security forces. Here’s what we know:"

https://www.pointebello.com/briefs/reserved-interfaces/

[Darren]

From the IPCC 2018 report, Chapter 13, page 1170: (my underlining)



My 'never' in my prior post was probably an overstatement. And it's certainly true to say that newer research may reach different conclusions.

That means writing off rising sea levels as a fear factor.

NO IT DOES NOT. Learn to comprehend. If I say that current research, at least as far as I understand it, is that Antarctica will contribute little to sea level change in the short term, it means just that. There are a host of other factors - Arctic ice (e.g., Greenland, Canadian islands) plus thermal expansion of sea water to name but two - that will eventually drown LA, NYC, London etc.

We know the sea level has been rising since the end of the last glacial period (pre industrial even) from archeology, etc. Lately not much at all since the previous fearmongering predictions were wrong.

Did you miss the millions of dollars being invested in the Seychelles resorts?

So if NYC is going to flood, why would the Obamas buy beachfront property?

Wasn't the Arctic supposed to be ice free by now?

But wait, what about the children? I AM thinking about future generations and the effects of energy poverty.

[Big RR]

Who is insisting on "energy poverty" (whatever that is)? More prudent use of energy (otherwise known as conservation) and development of alternatives to the burning of fossil fuels is not promoting "energy poverty" . I guess if you were around in the 19th century you'd say those who were suggesting that alternatives to high sulfur coal burning were prmoting energy poverty. Ditto for those in the 60s who advised we could develop powerful cars that got mileage in excess of 8 mpg were promoting energy poverty. Please.

[Darren]

"Hong Kong (CNN)The United States government has abruptly ordered China to "cease all operations and events" at its consulate in Houston, Texas, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry, in what it called an "unprecedented escalation" in recent actions taken by Washington.

US State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said the consulate was directed to close "in order to protect American intellectual property and Americans' private information" but did not immediately provide additional details of what prompted the closure."

[Darren]

Three Gorges Dam should be OK.

"Darren - had a chance to talk to a couple of my friends in the national dam safety center yesterday.

the dam is establishing a new pool of record, which sounds like a big deal but just basically means it's higher than it's ever been. for a relatively young damn that's nothing new. Every time it's higher than the last time it's a new pool of record.

There's been a small amount of deformation, on the order of less than 10 mm. for a structure that size and with that kind of load that would be fully expected and should be well within its design operating limits.

Right now, and pending a heck of a lot more rain than expected, and there shouldn't be any worries. It's a concrete Dam on top of everything else so the big worry of being over topped it's only of limited concern in the worst case."

[Darren]

"The phenomenon of a large electromagnetic pulse is not new. The first human-caused EMP occurred in 1962 when the 1.4 megaton Starfish Prime thermonuclear weapon detonated 400 km above the Pacific Ocean.

One hundred times bigger than what we dropped on Hiroshima, Starfish Prime resulted in an EMP which caused electrical damage nearly 900 miles away in Hawaii. It knocked out about 300 streetlights, set off numerous burglar alarms, and damaged a telephone company microwave link that shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands. "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca ... 608dace190