Let’s have a war and get it over with

[liberty]

I feel the same way I did when we had the first insurgency in this country in the 1960s and 70s. Let’s have a war and get it over with, but revolution is dangerous. We could end up with a worse situation than we started with, but the left is going to destroy the country anyway: A man in a liberal state that defends his likes work from rioters goes to prisons. That is leftist America. It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.


Recreational vehicle explodes in Nashville in apparent 'intentional act': Police - ABC7 Los Angeles

Recreational vehicle explodes in Nashville in apparent 'intentional act': Police

By EMILY SHAPIRO
Updated a minute ago

A parked recreational vehicle exploded in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Christmas morning, in what Nashville police believe was an "intentional act."

Nashville police officers were at first called to a report of shots fired. There was no evidence of shots fired but police noticed a suspicious RV with no tags parked across from the Davidson County courthouse.

The bomb squad was called and around 6:30 a.m., as the bomb squad responded, the RV exploded, blowing out the windows of nearby buildings and leaving extensive damage.

The explosion knocked one officer to the ground. Another officer sustained temporary hearing loss.

Three people were taken to the hospital with minor injuries. No significant injuries have been reported.

The debris field extends for at least a few blocks. Streets around the exploded vehicle are being closed down.

President Donald Trump and acting Attorney General Jeff Rosen have been briefed on the incident.

The FBI is now the lead investigative agency. Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are responding.

[ex-khobar Andy]

It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.

It's curious that you know this but no-one, not even Fox "News," is reporting that. I suspect it's more likely a spectacular suicide. Some nutter wanted to make a name for himself. But I'll wait for the investigation before I make any conclusions.

And "Americans" = good people? That's the necessary inference from your remark. So your sort of people would attack (i.e., detonate some sort of bomb) on the streets of Chicago?

[Sue U]

It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.

Nashville is a "liberal" city, you moron. It's chock full of musicians and artsy folk. Biden crushed Trump by a 2-1 margin in Nashville/Davidson County, which went 64.5% Biden to 32.4% Trump. In this part of Tennessee, Trump couldn't even get to a third of the total vote. Republicans didn't even bother to run a candidate for the House of Representatives in this district.

[TPFKA@W]

Oh dear. I read this story briefly this morning and thought all day they meant Nashville,Indiana which is an artist community southish of here. I kept thinking it had to be an insurance scam.

I need a good night’s sleep.

[Scooter]

It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.

Nashville is a "liberal" city, you moron. It's chock full of musicians and artsy folk. Biden crushed Trump by a 2-1 margin in Nashville/Davidson County, which went 64.5% Biden to 32.4% Trump. In this part of Tennessee, Trump couldn't even get to a third of the total vote. Republicans didn't even bother to run a candidate for the House of Representatives in this district.

There you go again, being all commie by trying to confuse the village idiot with facts.

[liberty]

It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.

It's curious that you know this but no-one, not even Fox "News," is reporting that. I suspect it's more likely a spectacular suicide. Some nutter wanted to make a name for himself. But I'll wait for the investigation before I make any conclusions.

And "Americans" = good people? That's the necessary inference from your remark. So your sort of people would attack (i.e., detonate some sort of bomb) on the streets of Chicago?

Well,it is like your liberal hero said war is hell. You could always save a lot of life and property by granting independence.

[liberty]

It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.

Nashville is a "liberal" city, you moron. It's chock full of musicians and artsy folk. Biden crushed Trump by a 2-1 margin in Nashville/Davidson County, which went 64.5% Biden to 32.4% Trump. In this part of Tennessee, Trump couldn't even get to a third of the total vote. Republicans didn't even bother to run a candidate for the House of Representatives in this district.

Comrade Sue says Nashville is a legitimate target; I recon all those country music fans are flag burning, cop shooting, rioting commie liberals.

[Bicycle Bill]

A parked recreational vehicle exploded in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Christmas morning, in what Nashville police believe was an "intentional act."

Nashville police officers were at first called to a report of shots fired.  There was no evidence of shots fired but police noticed a suspicious RV with no tags parked across from the Davidson County courthouse.

The bomb squad was called and around 6:30 a.m., as the bomb squad responded, the RV exploded, blowing out the windows of nearby buildings and leaving extensive damage.

Other than the report of "shots fired", what does this remind you of?
Oh yeah....

A parked Ryder truck parked outside a federal building in Oklahoma City exploded suddenly and without warning, blowing out the windows of nearby buildings and leaving extensive damage.

Which, of course, was done by the noted American leftist Timothy McVeigh, a veteran of the Gulf War, a sympathizer with the U.S. militia movement, and an outspoken critic of the way the US government handled the Ruby Ridge and the Waco standoffs.

-"BB"-

[liberty]

It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans that did this the target would be a liberal city like Chicago.

Nashville is a "liberal" city, you moron. It's chock full of musicians and artsy folk. Biden crushed Trump by a 2-1 margin in Nashville/Davidson County, which went 64.5% Biden to 32.4% Trump. In this part of Tennessee, Trump couldn't even get to a third of the total vote. Republicans didn't even bother to run a candidate for the House of Representatives in this district.

Just because someone voted against Trump doesn’t make him a liberal or a commie, comrade.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Well,it is like your liberal hero said war is hell. You could always save a lot of life and property by granting independence.

Sherman is a liberal hero? I did not know that. I'm always glad to learn new stuff when I come here. I need to get a bust of him to put next to Che and Mao on my mantlepiece. If I ask George (Soros) nicely I expect he'll pay for it.

[Burning Petard]

liberty seems to have his own semiotic system, devoid of any connection to a standard English dictionary.

"It would seem that this was a leftist attack; if it were Americans. . ." So 'American " and "leftist" are mutually exclusive. I guess I must be a lesbian.

Anybody know just what kind of a costume Jane Fonda was wearing in court when she told the judge: But, Your Honor I thought that [fuck you] was the nicest thing I could say to a another person. I hope it was something more like her work out videos than a mother hubbard.

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[ex-khobar Andy]

I see that the police concluded early on - within a few hours - that it was an intentional bombing. The recorded message "This fucker's gonna blow in 13 minutes" may have been a clue.

I see that they now suspect that it might have been a suicide bombing. OK.

[Joe Guy]

Those police investigators are at the top of their game. When I first heard that an RV exploded after speakers blasted out a warning for people to vacate the area, the first thing I thought was that the cause was the RV's battery had a short in it and its GPS system was giving out directions on how to get to a safer location.

[ex-khobar Andy]

It now appears that the bomber's GF had told police that he was building bombs in the RV, in August last year.

I'm puzzled by this sentence in the CNN piece I linked (my underlining):

In the course of their several attempts to enter the home, Warner would not open the door for police, a statement from the department said, and as there was no evidence of a crime, they had no authority to enter.

I understand the general concept of search and seizure and probable cause (Fourth Amendment) but isn't "My boyfriend is building bombs" enough? I don't know the exact words she used when making her statement to the police, but isn't that at least an affirmation and enough to have them require entry? There's another shoe to drop here, yet.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Looking again at the text of the Fourth Amendment, maybe the answer is right there. If she did not know where the RV was, the allegation that he was building bombs in it might have been enough to justify a search of the RV ("particularly describing the place to be searched") but not of the house.

[BoSoxGal]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Would you really want the standard to obtain a search warrant for your residence and/or vehicles to be merely the accusations of an ex girlfriend or ex boyfriend, entirely unsubstantiated by any corroborating evidence?

As someone who has argued the merits of search warrant applications in court too many times to count, I have a lot of thoughts about this subject that might be quite relevant. But as I’m an uppity cunt who really needs to stop ‘showing off’ my intelligence and ‘bragging’ about my education and experience, I would point you to a rather excellent work on the subject by a former criminal law professor of mine, Sam Dash. Some hours spent reading this excellent book would be some hours very well spent. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Search ... &kn=&isbn=

[Guinevere]

Listen to women! If the police had taken her seriously, they could have put her in front of a judge to get a warrant. It would have required some further investigation/evaluation by them, and a judge would have determined if her sworn testimony was credible enough to support probable cause. It could have been. But no, they didn’t listen and treated her like she was nuts.

ETA: Hindsight is, of course, 2020. Its hard to know how the gf presented in the moment. That being said, the police should have done more than just dismiss her as crazy. I know the Departments I work with would have likely done more, and probably raised it to the Chief to speak with the DA.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Oh FFS get off your high horse BSG. I asked what I hoped was a relatively simple question and that one of our legal beagles (who all happen to be women - OK, forgot about RR) might have the time to give me the useful and succinct response you (plural) usually give.

I used the search function to look up 'brag' and 'bragging' and I couldn't find that epithet being applied to you in the last year - unless of course it was Darren or wes who often have episodes of creative and idiosyncratic spelling - so I'm not sure what your complaint is.

Would you really want the standard to obtain a search warrant for your residence and/or vehicles to be merely the accusations of an ex girlfriend or ex boyfriend, entirely unsubstantiated by any corroborating evidence?

Yes, I get it. But I think (hope) that if the ex GF (I'm not sure she was an ex at the time of making the accusations) was saying "He's making bombs in his basement/RV/shithouse!" and produced some weapons that she felt threatened by, they would listen and do at least a rudimentary evaluation. I'm not defending the police here in Louisville in the Breanna Taylor situation, but they seemed to be able to obtain a warrant on the grounds that an ex-boyfriend of Ms Taylor was mixed up in drugs - with tragic results. The Fourth Amendment requires probable cause, supported by an oath or an affirmation. That's not a very high bar - I'm not sure what constitutes an affirmation but from a lay point of view, it sounds as if the GF's initial statement was an affirmation.

I see that Guin has posted additional information.

BSG - there are lots of us here who have some expertise on various topics because we have a lifetime of work experience. To take an example: although I disagree with Darren about most things, if I have a question or a comment about moving heavy stuff from A to B, I'd put it to him and I'm pretty sure I would get an honest and usable answer.

Sam Dash - there's a name from the past. I remember him at the Watergate hearings which we watched every night in amazement. I might look for his book next time I am in the library - if they ever re-open.

[Burning Petard]

'All the male felons on death row ate mashed potatoes before they some time were arrested' The usual problem of 'Alla s's are b's" But B's are a very big group and the A's are important, but a very small of the fraction of the b's--not actionable. One news story about this had a neighbor who said they had been talking to the (dead) person of interest shortly before it all happened and he seemed to be in a good mood, positive about everything.

This a typical after-the-fact observation about suicide. The person finds a final solution that ends all their personal problems and they begin taking action to do it, so of course they seem to be in a good mood to others.

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[BoSoxGal]

Oh FFS get off your high horse BSG. I asked what I hoped was a relatively simple question and that one of our legal beagles (who all happen to be women - OK, forgot about RR) might have the time to give me the useful and succinct response you (plural) usually give.

I used the search function to look up 'brag' and 'bragging' and I couldn't find that epithet being applied to you in the last year - unless of course it was Darren or wes who often have episodes of creative and idiosyncratic spelling - so I'm not sure what your complaint is.k next time I am in the library - if they ever re-open.

Just the usual attacks in one of the other of the few active threads from Joe and Gob because I dare to be intelligent, highly educated and a former university professor.

Sorry you hadn’t noticed me getting the sexist pile on, but I did. My personality and mood tends to be fairly uniform from thread to thread, day to day, conversation to conversation. I’ve seen cross references from active thread to active thread by lots of other posters here over the years but I gather apparently that’s another thing I’m not allowed to do here without attack. Duly noted.

[Joe Guy]

....because I dare to be intelligent, highly educated and a former university professor.

Thanks for the reminder.