Martha’s Vineyard

[BoSoxGal]

The kind of people who would put people on a plane or in boxcars are the kind of people you encounter every day of your life. If the Holocaust teaches us anything, it teaches us that. I don’t know what to do with that lesson. I just know it’s true.

[Joe Guy]

If nothing else, DeSantis is impressing people who hate foreigners that seek refuge into this country. They probably think it's real clever how he had absolutely no regard for people who are destitute, living in fear and are participating in the long legal process required to be accepted by this country.

DeSantis is so clever that he arranged for many of them to be sent to "liberal" states. What a knee-slapper! I'm sure his Trumpster base is as happy as an American hunter at a game farm in Africa who just shot an elephant, took a selfie and then secretly sawed off the dead elephants tusks and skipped away to his Land Rover to drive back to his comfortable hotel suite.

Thank you Ronny! You're such a funny and clever guy........

[Big RR]

Just like Joe McCarthy, Desantis has no sense of decency; these are human beings he is screwing with to make his asinine point. I don't beleieve in hell, but if I did, there would be a special place there for Desantis and asses like him.

[liberty]

I see nothing wrong with this. It's not smuggling; it's not kidnapping; it provides free transportation from a poor part of the country to a prosperous region. So, what is wrong with that?

Texas will benefit in the long run. The north has to build more schools, hire more expensive teachers and provide more welfare, but money is no object to them; they got plenty of it. So why shouldn't the rich pay their fair share? And if some of them choose a criminal career, these affluent parts of the countries are much better places to practice that profession; the penalties are lower.

[Big RR]

Nothing wrong? Well if you think treating people this way--transporting them away with promises of work and shelter (and likely making them miss their visits with immigration to progress their asylum applications--then I really pity you. It may or may not be legal (time will tell)--but it is clearly wrong to treat people this way. These are human beings, but they are being treated like garbage. But you see nothing wrong with that.

You don't like the asylum laws? Lobby to change them. You think that the federal government should pay more to support asylum seekers while their applications are pending? Then lobby for that. But don't treat people like pieces of garbage so you can make an asinine point and chuckle over it serving the other states right. But then, if you see nothing wrong with treating human beings that way, I guess you just don't give a shit.


Har Har Har--it's just so funny.

[Bicycle Bill]

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[MajGenl.Meade]

Nothing wrong?

Nice try, Big RR. Very well put. But really, can one persuade a fascist that fascism is naughty?

[Big RR]

No, but it may dissuade some budding fascists to reconsider their choice of a path.

[MajGenl.Meade]

There are budding fascists on this board?

[Big RR]

Well maybe they're just lurkers?

[BoSoxGal]

Well I do tend to get a bit strident about using peoples’ preferred pronouns and I’m a bit inflexible about grammar, but . . .

Actually strike this. A little levity seemed okay as I was writing it but after watching that Burns documentary I can’t laugh about it. Fucking fascists are terrifying and they are on the ascent again. They are on the ascent in the United States of America and everything hangs on this November and the one two years from now.

[Joe Guy]

Well maybe they're just lurkers?

If a fascist lurks a lot but rarely comments does that make him half-fascist?

[liberty]

Nothing wrong?

Nice try, Big RR. Very well put. But really, can one persuade a fascist that fascism is naughty?

If you're calling me a fascist, that makes you either a fool or a liar. You should know I have made no secret in the past; I hate all forms of arbitrary power, communist fascists, or any other, including individual bullies and thugs. I learned my hatred at an early age, 6 or 7, and I am reminded of it every time I blow my nose and bloody snot comes out. I got my unique nose condition from an angry giant stepfather. What was my crime? I was a bastard, and I dared to compete with my brother. Clearly, I wasn't fit to be my half-brother's sibling. I didn't count as a real person; there is more, but I don't care to elaborate.

By the way, later in life, the horrendous appearance of my nose was fixed, but nothing could be done about the internal construction so I will live with it for the rest of my life. I'm not complaining. That is just the way it is.

Let me repeat; I hate all forms of thuggery, public, government, and private, and I see nothing wrong with killing bullies of any form.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Sorry about your nose. But that does not excuse your outright disdain for people of any color other than white.

When you support a racist right-wing anti-democratic bully tricking people onto an airplane just to get rid of them, like so much garbage (ha-ha isn't that funny?), then 'fascist' is perhaps the kindest label I could apply.

"Killing bullies of any form" - that you don't see a problem with that statement is diagnostic

[liberty]

Sorry about your nose. But that does not excuse your outright disdain for people of any color other than white.

That is crap. Just because I'm concerned about the country's future, that is, the well-being of my people, my children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and cousins, doesn't mean I disdain or hate any group. My family has known true poverty, and we are determined it will never happen again. If you want to be poor, give away everything you own; that's fine with me, but that's not for me and mine. I feel sorry for poor people in 3rd world countries but not sorry enough to take their place. When Jesus said to the Samaritan woman it is not right to throw the children's bread to the dogs, he wasn't calling the Samaritan woman or her people dogs. He was saying that one should take care of one's own people first. The purpose of the United States government is to look out for the interests of the US citizens. What is wrong with that?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Just because I'm concerned about the country's future, that is, the well-being of my people, my children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and cousins, doesn't mean I disdain or hate any group.

Good - then we can look forward to no more of your thick-as-whale-blubber posts about liberals not caring about white people being murdered.

If you want to be poor, give away everything you own; that's fine with me, but that's not for me and mine.

There you go again. I've never said anything remotely like that and it's got nothing to do with your callous flippancy about people being shipped like cattle around the country ha-ha-ha by fascist DeSantis

When Jesus said to the Samaritan woman it is not right to throw the children's bread to the dogs, he wasn't calling the Samaritan woman or her people dogs.

(a) Canaanite woman
(b) He was using a slang term for unbelievers (non-Jews). No doubt ironically but she understood it and her reply amused him

The purpose of the United States government is to look out for the interests of the US citizens. What is wrong with that?

Did someone say there was something wrong with that? You are the only person to bring this up, now. Nothing to do with you obsession with skin color.

[BoSoxGal]

One of the major factors in the supply chain issues and resulting historic inflation that is hurting Americans is the shortage of labor to fill millions of job vacancies in this country. Resolving our dysfunctional immigration policy issues would allow us to welcome migrants to fill many of those jobs which would resolve many of the economic problems we are currently experiencing- and that is most definitely in the best interest of current Americans. Also, the entire notion of this country is to be a refuge from tyranny for hardworking freedom seeking people. Our birth rate is not keeping up with economic demand so we most definitely should be figuring out how much to prop the golden door open - the right answer cannot be ‘slam it shut forever.’

[Long Run]

The main reason there are not enough workers is the labor force participation rate is low at 62%. It was in the 66-68% range traditionally but then dropped to 62-63% following the Great Recession, before slowly climbing back toward 64% when COVID hit, knocking it back to 60%. It is once again slowly climbing back up.

[BoSoxGal]

I wonder, does this country which is responsible for a major portion of the emissions that have driven us to a warmer planet and more devastating weather conditions especially in the equatorial region not have a moral obligation to accept some of the many climate refugees among those knocking at the golden door?

[Bicycle Bill]

I wonder, does this country which is responsible for a major portion of the emissions that have driven us to a warmer planet and more devastating weather conditions especially in the equatorial region not have a moral obligation to accept some of the many climate refugees among those knocking at the golden door?

For the most part, I don't believe too many of these refugees are 'knocking at the golden door' due to climactic conditions in their home countries – unless you're talking about the political or economic climate.

And the USofA is not the only country producing the greenhouse gases that are the current whipping boy for climate change (I say 'current whipping boy' because I can recall back to when we were all concerned about acid rain, and before that, the CFCs and HCFCs in aerosol cans and their potential for depleting the ozone layer, and how they were going to destroy the world as we knew it ... I can even remember back to my middle-school days and the hubbub over phosphates in detergents making their way into waterways through the waste-water system, feeding algal blooms which in turn starved fish of oxygen).  There are any number of other developed and developing nations that also must shoulder some of the blame.

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