A "mad experiment" that explored morality

[The Hen]

But not prohibited.

[Sean]

So Catholics are not required to abstain from alcohol on Good Friday.

It's just a shame that there wasn't somebody with a good knowledge of the Catholic faith who could've told you that ages ago...

Oh wait... there was! You just wouldn't listen...

[loCAtek]

'Cha, I was taught in Eastern philosophy that if you were fasting, that included alcohol. Seemed to stand to reason, but my bad.

[Sean]

Thank you, that's all that was ever needed.

[liberty]

I doubt that there where many true Christians involved in this thievery Perhaps there were some people who clamed to be Christians, but claiming to be a follower of Christ and being one are two different things. I am not saying Christians don’t sin they do, but we get convicted or we are not Christians.

[thestoat]

I doubt that there where many true Christians involved in this thievery Perhaps there were some people who clamed to be Christians, but claiming to be a follower of Christ and being one are two different things. I am not saying Christians don’t sin they do, but we get convicted or we are not Christians.

Brings up an interesting question - when does one cease to be Christian? I guess that treading on an ant might be considered murder (but murder is condoned in the Old Testament ... and there is a bit of this in the New too). What would be considered so bad a sin that committing it would mean you cease to be a Christian? And could true repentance reverse this and still let you in to Heaven?

[alice]

What would be considered so bad a sin that committing it would mean you cease to be a Christian? And could true repentance reverse this and still let you in to Heaven?

That's a really interesting question. As a follow-on thought from it, I immediately had a picture of a prisoner in his jail cell, studying the bible. So there are obviously quite a few prisoners who have either been Christians who went a bit wrong and then repented, or who have become Christians after they were convicted.
I'm not providing an answer, or anything really of substance here. Just waffling a bit. But I'm very interested to hear a response to your query.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Perhaps wander a bit off-topic but this from discussion in (I think) "Crackpot Ideas..." over in "All our own work"

its agreed that one cannot "lose" one's salvation like one loses a coat. And God certainly doesn't lose the page with one's name on it - whoops, off to hell! That's quite in order IMO. But I don't quite follow that a person who has been truly saved by God (for He's the one that did it) can afterward negate that salvation.

Would it not mean that God doesn't actually know who He's saved - given that any one of them might change their mind at any time?

OTOH if God knows they (have the ability to and) are going to negate His sovereign choice, then from His point of view they must not really have been saved in the first place, neh? And from my point of view as well.

If a person who did all the Christiany things (whatever qualifies) but ten years later says "I blaspheme the HS; I reject God and I'm going to vote Republican from now on" they are either (1) losing their salvation by conscious decision or (2) revelaing they were not truly a saved believer - how would you and I know which of those two things was true since they would both appear identical to us? Or would they?

My belief is that a Christian cannot lose salvation. And a pseudo-christian cannot either - because they never had it in the first place.

FWIW
Meade

[dgs49]

What is the point of having one's sins forgiven (John 20:23) if one is saved by faith?

Was Judas saved before he betrayed Christ? Did he lose it?

[Gob]

Did the ring really get to Modor?

[dales]

Modor?


Motor?


Motors have piston rings.


Salvation?

If a decent motor oil is used, motor won't need it.

[Rick]

His misspelling has become a bad Hobbit...