Vance VP

[Scooter]

The guy can't even craft an insult without jamming his foot in his mouth.

[BoSoxGal]

I seriously feel sorry for Usha and the kids; JD Vance is not a good guy.





Except when I put on my tin foil hat, I wonder if Vance and Vance aren't stealth double agents, infiltrating MAGA and Trump's campaign in order to insure that America doesn't give its very own Hitler another shot at the WH.

[Big RR]

no, I think this guy is an opportunist--right now he is playing Trump plus because that is what he thinks the people want, but he is much smarter (and more dangerous) than Trump because he's not an asshole. Sure he can piss people off when he has to, but unlike Trump I think he knows how to play the political game to advance whatever agenda he thinks will get him into power. Not a good guy? Sure, but few politicians are; they will sacrifice whatever they have to get what what they want. I doubt he is concerned about Trump being elected, but he may not want to play the Dan Quayle fool for another four years, so it wouldn't surprise me if he is sabotaging it.

FWIW, I'd take 4 more years of Trump than a president Vance.

[Sue U]

no, I think this guy is an opportunist--right now he is playing Trump plus because that is what he thinks the people want, but he is much smarter (and more dangerous) than Trump because he's not an asshole.

Gonna have to disagree that "he's not an asshole." He absolutely is, and an unjustifiably arrogant one at that.

Sure he can piss people off when he has to, but unlike Trump I think he knows how to play the political game to advance whatever agenda he thinks will get him into power.

He's sucked up sufficiently to Peter Thiel and his techbro cronies that he'll have the funding to do whatever he wants, as long as he's protecting their interests. And he sure knows which side his bread is buttered.

Not a good guy? Sure, but few politicians are; they will sacrifice whatever they have to get what what they want.

I don't buy that politicians on the whole are self-serving jerks. I have known a lot of politicians (both D and R) and the vast majority are in fact good men and women who are making a career in public service because they care about particular constituent issues. I don't always agree with their reasoning and goals, but it doesn't make them bad people. And we're talking about New Jersey here, so there's plenty of room for crooks, too. But I think our governor is in it for pretty wholesome reasons as well as our future senator.

I doubt he is concerned about Trump being elected, but he may not want to play the Dan Quayle fool for another four years, so it wouldn't surprise me if he is sabotaging it.

I think Vance's innate douchebaggery makes him incapable of acting like a normal human being. I mean, how can you fuck up ordering donuts?

[Sue U]

Oh and right on cue, lol, Wonkette has a Vance story today backing me up:

If JD Vance's Kink Is Public Humiliation, Then He's Having Hottest Week Ever
Booed by firefighters, Tweeting sexist garbage, unable to answer questions on CNN, yep, campaign’s going great!

Marcie Jones
Aug 30, 2024

Remember when Jeb “Please Clap” Bush was the awkwardest man alive? Well, here comes JD Vance, making him look like Perry Como!

Last night, the man who orders a doughnut like he’s getting a colonoscopy got repeated hearty boos and heckling at the International Association of Fire Fighters conference in Boston. Starting from when he said, “Thank you guys, thank you so much.”

BOOO!



“Semper fi guys, sounds like we’ve got some haters here!” he squawks, like a sixth grader who accidentally walked into the eighth graders’ bathroom and is getting lifted by the ankles for a swirlie.

Firefighters got the BURN! This was a mere day after Governor Tim Walz got lusty cheers from the same group, yowch! Here, let’s watch that instead of JD Vance.



And now we are fortified for the perils ahead.

Firefighters are not known to be a particularly woke bunch; Vance even did get a cheer when he said he’d abolish vaccine mandates. But they were not happy about his ridiculous lie that the Republicans are some kind of workers’ rights party.

“President Trump and I are proud to be the most pro-worker Republican ticket in history!”

BOOO!

It got awkwarder, he tried a joke.

“At the Republican convention we featured everyday American workers and of course we had Hulk Hogan. And while it’s temptin’, and I’m sure it would make some big headlines, but don’t worry, any, er, ah, everybody, I’m not going to try to take off my shirt here.”

[Awkward pause and crickets for laughs that did not come.]

Anyway, contrast that to the reception to Tim Walz, who got zero boos, just roaring cheers all the way through for his speech to the same firefighters.

Vance then took to Xitter ahead of Harris and Walz’s CNN interview, to post this doozy of garbage that he thought was a real kneeslapper.

Vance tweet: Breaking I have gotten ahold of the Kamala Harris CNN interview" and then a picture of Miss Teen South Carolina
It’s funny because Harris is a pretty woman, and pretty women are really dumb, get it? Ha, ha! Please laugh.

The clip is from the 2007 Miss Teen USA contest, in which then-Miss Teen South Carolina Caitlin Upton gave a garbled answer about why Americans can’t find the US on a world map. Because she was an extremely nervous 18-year-old who was overwhelmed, heaven fucking forbid. (We at Wonkette have made a lot of fun of it too. It was a very bad answer!)

Upton became a meme, and got commented about by all the gross sexist assholes, such as Tucker Carlson (who was 38 at the time): “She'd probably be a pretty good wife. If you had a wife that dumb, would it be good or bad?” and “She's so dumb. She's vulnerable. She's like a wounded gazelle separated from the herd.” Predators on the Right aren’t just a bug, they are a proud feature.

Upton later signed on with Donald Trump’s creepy-ass modeling agency, and moved into the Trump apartments. She later said in an interview that the notoriety the clip generated made her suicidal.

Yep, bullying a lady over something she said 17 years ago to make a gross remark about the vice president, just the rizz to lure back the votes of all those childless cat ladies, barren teachers, and postmenopausal women he’s managed to piss off in record time, you betcha.

Vance followed it up this morning with a painfully awkward interview on CNN, where he was unable to answer if Trump had just reversed himself by saying he opposed six-week abortion bans, and if Trump was now going to vote against the six-week abortion ban in Florida. Vance even pulled the “I can’t hear you, driving through a tunnel!” Or maybe it was just a coincidence that Vance had technical difficulties at that exact moment.

“The president, I’m sure, will tell the American people how he’s going to vote on it eventually, but he wasn’t making an announcement last night.”

CNN’s John Berman: “It was a grammar thing, it was a speech thing, it was somehow confusion with the words that he chose? Senator Vance, can you hear me?”

After Vance’s audio got fixed, or “fixed,” he went on to not be able to answer how Trump might pay for the free IVF treatment that he just promised everybody the government was going to pay for. An expansion of Obamacare? A mandate to insurance companies? How are you going to leave abortion to the states but mandate IVF? What if states pull an Alabama and say that fertilized IVF eggs are actually infants who just happen to live in a freezer? And didn’t you yourself, JD Vance, vote in the Senate against protecting and increasing accessibility to IVF like not even like two months ago?

Er, ah, er, Vance couldn’t answer those questions too good either.

Oh, and then there’s how he defended Trump ghoulishly giving a grinning thumbs up on the grave of dead soldiers in Arlington, “You’re acting like Donald Trump filmed a TV commercial at a gravesite!” he spat, at the exact same moment Trump released a campaign commercial of himself at the gravesite.

If he wasn’t a flaming asshole, you might feel a little bad for the guy. He has no idea what the fuck he’s doing, he clearly hates public speaking and is terrible at it, and even his barber is out to humiliate him.

But he is a butthair bonfire, and an adult who chose this life of lies and poor grooming. He can quit any time he wants!

Click on the linky thing above for the same story with all the hyperlinks, screengrabs and videos. There's only so much I'm going to code here.

[ex-khobar Andy]

FWIW, I'd take 4 more years of Trump than a president Vance.

I might even agree with you. The one 'good' thing about a possible Trump presidency (I can't believe I have just typed that sentence) is that he is so fucking incompetent. He takes no-one's advice but his own; he thinks that he alone is the One; and enough people tell him that he is the Second Coming that he has started to believe it. So much of what he wants to do won't get done.

[Big RR]

Sue--

I don't buy that politicians on the whole are self-serving jerks. I have known a lot of politicians (both D and R) and the vast majority are in fact good men and women who are making a career in public service because they care about particular constituent issues. I don't always agree with their reasoning and goals, but it doesn't make them bad people. And we're talking about New Jersey here, so there's plenty of room for crooks, too. But I think our governor is in it for pretty wholesome reasons as well as our future senator.

True, but not being a "good guy" doesn't mean one is a bad guy; I agree with your assessment for local level politician, but the "higher" they get in the pecking order, I find that they covet the power. Some may covet it for their own ends, others may want it because they want to achieve certein ends, while others still may not want to give it up. Look at many of the republicans who have served a long time in Congress; I am sure many of them cannot stand Trump, but they kiss his ass to avoid losing that power. I have seen that sort of thing on both sides of the aisle. The ones who don't sell their principals for power are usually voted out of office; their are some exceptions, but power is a very strong lure. Of course the electorate could reverse this by holding our representatives to not do this, but many of us are content to either refrain from voting or vote the party line and so the assholes continue. They are not necessarily bad people, but they are tripped up by their own ambition.

And if you need any proof of this, look at McConnell; the guy is in his early 80s and he is kissing Trump's ass to remain in power. I doubt he has any respect for Trump, and he is abandoning any thought of getting any of his proposals through by kowtowing to him, but he can't walk away. He apparently will stop being the republican leader this year, but he is not retiring and will serve out his term (at least) and still supports Trump because he wants to retain some of his power (otherwise, why not just refuse to endorse anyone?). I never agreed with his positions before, but the guy has sunk to a new low--as have many of his republican colleagues.

Gonna have to disagree that "he's not an asshole." He absolutely is, and an unjustifiably arrogant one at that.

OK, maybe it's better to say that he's not an ignoramus; both of them think they are the smartest one in the room, but Trump never is--Vance may be.

[Scooter]

[Burning Petard]

Question for the debate next week: Senator Vance, where and when did you find your building to burn down?

snailgate.

[BoSoxGal]

JD Vance just called Bob Woodward a HACK.

JD Vance, lying liar who lies and exploited 'his' people in Hillbilly Elegy, basically blaming them alone for their problems - most of which stem from generations of oppression and exploitation of Appalachia and Appalachians by the powers that be.

JD Vance, who once tweeted: "Trump makes people I care about afraid; immigrants, Muslims, etc. Because of this I find him reprehensible. God wants better of us."

HACK!