Here you go Lo...

[loCAtek]

ThX BSG, but I've described some of the other things I have done and do; Everybody's recovery is different. That it isn't done according to Hen, Gob, you or anyone else's suggestions; doesn't mean it's not getting done. It may be getting done in a way, that other's actually don't like; and that doesn't mean it's not getting done.

Hen has stated, she started the jabs at my private stuff, not to help me but to 'hurt me', in other words punish me for challenging her. I don't see her trying to help me; that could have been done offline; I see her trying get me to stop challenging her.

[BoSoxGal]

Oh for Pete's sake, loCA, you haven't been 'challenging' Hen - or Gob; you've been baiting them and trolling.

If you can't look back for yourself and see a marked change in your posting over the past few months, then you are delusional. It's pretty damned obvious and most here are getting sick of it - as evinced by the many posts of than tenor.

You're recovering? GREAT! I don't care how you do it. Just do it.

And since you are doing so fantastically emotionally, why don't you just LET IT GO with regard to this vendetta against Hen/Gob?

This is my last word on the subject. You let it go, we're great. You don't let it go, you'll go on ignore. I'd be sorry to miss some of your posts, but of late they've nearly all been obnoxious smarmy attacks on the Oz couple and related 'victim' crap.

The fact that you can't just accept Hen's apology for one message when she was under the influence of post-surgical narcotics and sick to death of the weeks of crap you'd posted directed at her and Gob, just shows you to be still narcissistic in a way that only unrecovered addicts are. You want to prove different? Give us all a break by stopping this now. It's done, if you REALLY want it to be.

[dales]

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[Gob]

Long story short, I'd like some input on relationships since .... [snip]

Hang about here?

If Lo is saying the above constitutes a breach of confidentiality*, then she is stating she did write that to Hen, and ipso facto she is admitting that she lied to the rest of the membership here, repeatedly, as she claimed never to have asked for such.

Or;

She is still claiming to have never asked for advice, in which case she is claiming the above is a lie, and therefore there was no breach of confidentiality.

Which ever way you look at it the Lonatic has shot herself in the foot again.


*Can anyone let me know what would be considered confidential in that sentence?

I'm guessing that Meade was referring to Mr Punch's famous saying; "That's the way to do it!"

[The Hen]

I'd to respectfully request the good Genr' MajGenl.Meade to mediate on this. If you could PM me, sir? Perhaps we could chat? Of course, if Hen agrees perhaps we could all chat, or she and you could do so; or some such others arrangements could be made, where I'd be open to discussing this matter more fully.

I like to consider this thread a "chat". I do not think further palaver on this matter is required.

[loCAtek]

I would prefer to discuss private matters privately; if not Meade, then I wouldn't mind someone like RB as a nuetral third party because I've no problem with her hearing the details. We've corresponded before, I look forward to speaking to her again, if you'd rather not join that's fine.

[Gob]

In see Lo has replied again, can you let those interested know

Did you lie to everyone about never having asked Hen for advice?

[The Hen]

What private matters do you want to discuss?

Don't you think people might have learnt from my experience?

Try a proper consultation with a therapist that is not a friend to you. It might work better.

Regards

[loCAtek]

The change BSG, was because they were/are harassing my friends Garaelb and Kiko; it's all about their personal vendetta against ~Steve, which they can't let go even though he's apologized. They're hurting an old friend, which doesn't seem to matter so long as they can be cruel to a wounded man. I don't like that in people but that's just me. They could stop the flaming, and I can start getting over how poorly they've treated my friends.

[Joe Guy]

This is really getting weird.

Are you saying, LoCAtek, that you want someone like Meade to Meade-iate a grievance that you have against Gob & Hen?

How does that work?

Do you exchange PM's in order to build your case and then Meade gets to decide who is right and who is wrong?

Will it result in a disciplinary action against either party?

If you really want a trial decided by a jury of your peers, then you should state your case and let Hen & Gob respond in a dedicated thread that anyone here with an interest can read.

And then let a poll of the people here decide a verdict.

Or maybe you should just let the whole thing die and start discussing issues and jokes like you used to do.

This interaction between you and others is becoming a little to 'Steve & Gwen-ish'.

But I don't think you have a Gwenabler yet.

And hopefully never will.

Come back soon, Loca.

I miss you.

[loCAtek]

What private matters do you want to discuss?

Don't you think people might have learnt from my experience?

Try a proper consultation with a therapist that is not a friend to you. It might work better.

Regards

LOL The one I want to discuss privately. Other people are not so sensitive as you; I've spoken to other folks for years; yours was the shortest exchange of that sort I've ever had.

LOL Joe no, I said a chat. Where everybody sits(in a chat room) and talks things out, with one being the mediator to keep the discussion polite and on track. Just specifically so there's no, 'He said, She said'

[The Hen]

The change BSG, was because they were/are harassing my friends Garaelb and Kiko; it's all about their personal vendetta against ~Steve, which they can't let go even though he's apologized. They're hurting an old friend, which doesn't seem to matter so long as they can be cruel to a wounded man. I don't like that in people but that's just me. They could stop the flaming, and I can start getting over how poorly they've treated my friends.

Steve apologized and then, without any evidence, tried to connect the Hatch with known trolls.

I have not harassed the G.

Kiko accused me of being a bad mother and then ran away.

I stopped flaming after my apology to you, but you have not let anything rest.

Get better soon Lo. We all miss you.

[Gob]

Jesus, so Joe's another one who has been on the receiving end of Lo's constant off board attempts at attention seeking?

Is there anyone here who hasn't been hassled for attention by her?

[loCAtek]

Steve apologized and then, without any evidence, tried to connect the Hatch with known trolls.
.

So?

I have not harassed the G.

You badger him less that's true.

Kiko accused me of being a bad mother and then ran away.

Gob called Kiko stupid just for posting there. You exaggerate when Kiko said it wasn't a good idea to have Future Sailor post there

I stopped flaming after my apology to you, but you have not let anything rest.

Um, your apology was to stop bringing up my private business. In order for an apology to be sincere you have to stop doing what you apologized for.

[loCAtek]

Found what Kiko said;

http://www.cybersoapbox.com/SMF/index.p ... #msg517041

...

There is absolutely no condoning this latest attack, but if you want an honest estimation, I severely question your judgement when bringing your daughter to the board when such vicious attacks (by both parties) are going on daily.

Like LJ said, maybe she'll see what despicable lowlifes there are in the world, but she's also bound to see the bad behaviour coming from both sides of the picture.

[Rick]

it's all about their personal vendetta against ~Steve, which they can't let go even though he's apologized

OK how does the ignore work?

I've seen enough...

[Sean]

Can't say I blame you Keld...
Go to your profile and add whichever member(s) you wish to your 'Foes' list.

How can I put this simply Lo...
If you carry on playing the victim, no amount of chatting or mediation will help.
If you stop playing the victim, no amount of chatting or mediation will be necessary.


BTW Joe, I think quad is auditioning for the part of Lo's Gwenabler. Watch this space...

[Rick]

Thanks...

[Joe Guy]

Jesus, so Joe's another one who has been on the receiving end of Lo's constant off board attempts at attention seeking?

Is there anyone here who hasn't been hassled for attention by her?

For the record - LoCAtek hasn't communicated with me off-line regarding the current discussion. My thoughts on this discussion is based solely on what I've read on-line.

Also, I agree that quad is a classic Gwenabler-type, but unlike Gwen it's obvious that he does it for the purpose of acting out his own masturbatory fantasies.

[Gob]

Thanks for the clarification Joe.