An Extremely Tense Situation in D.C.

[Bicycle Bill]

I understand that, so far, D.C. has not had a murder this week. We've got about three more weeks to go to make it a full month. Let's see if we can reach a murder-free month in D.C., that would be a remarkable achievement. And maybe that success might encourage other state chief executives to attempt the same, at least in their highest-crime cities.

There are so many sources I couldn't decide which one to cite, but with regard to murders committed in Washington DC, the overwhelming weapon of choice was a firearm of one kind or another.   Or to put it another way, almost 85% of the murder victims in our nation's capital were people who were shot to death.

Too bad they didn't try to eliminate the primary device used to commit murder before they mobilized the storm troopers.

-"BB"-

[Joe Guy]

I don't think Donald would suggest putting more federal funding and effort into dealing with root causes for crime in D.C. and other big cities. He would consider that to be too woke.

[BoSoxGal]

He doesn't actually care about violent crime in DC, because the VAST majority of victims of violent crime in DC are Black, and he doesn't care about Black people. Dubya cares more about Black people than Trumplethinskin does.

[liberty]

As far as I can tell, Washington, D.C. has never had a summer with 12 consecutive days without a homicide until now.

Some people on the right are saying that Trump must be a genius; he’s got Democrats protesting a lack of murders and demanding the return of their killings. I have to admit, that’s pretty good.

[liberty]

So far this year, 262 people have been murdered in Chicago, and no one seems particularly concerned. Evidently, 262 deaths is considered an acceptable number. I suspect most of the victims are Black or from other minorities, yet still, there appears to be little urgency to act, not enough, at least, to try anything truly bold.

Don't tell me the statistics are coming down, because, in my opinion, they've already been too high for too long. The numbers may be lower than last year, but that doesn't make them acceptable. The real problem is that no one cares enough to do something meaningful.

The Governor of Illinois could deploy the National Guard, not necessarily to intervene, if he doesn't want to, but simply to be witnesses. More eyes on the ground might help deter violence. But I suspect he lacks the courage to take such a step.

[Joe Guy]

.....Some people on the right are saying that Trump must be a genius; he’s got Democrats protesting a lack of murders and demanding the return of their killings. I have to admit, that’s pretty good.

It makes sense that the same people who think Trump must be a genius would somehow conclude that democrats are protesting a lack of murders.

Only true card-carrying MAGA people could manage to come to a convoluted conclusion like that.

[liberty]

.....Some people on the right are saying that Trump must be a genius; he’s got Democrats protesting a lack of murders and demanding the return of their killings. I have to admit, that’s pretty good.

It makes sense that the same people who think Trump must be a genius would somehow conclude that democrats are protesting a lack of murders.

Only true card-carrying MAGA people could manage to come to a convoluted conclusion like that.

Well, Joe, that’s what the optics look like. They’re protesting the federal presence in D.C., which has resulted in lower crime.

[Joe Guy]

Well, Joe, that’s what the optics look like. They’re protesting the federal presence in D.C., which has resulted in lower crime.

People are protesting Trump's unsolicited tyrannical approach to law & order. Anyone who sees it as a protest against lower crime is either stupid or knows better and is trying to appeal to stupid people.

[Big RR]

come on Joe, we all know Trump can do no wrong, and this militarization is needed by the horrendous emergenices in these cities--they have nothing to do with the cities refusing to kowtow to his heavy handed anti immigration policies or his desire to erode the freedoms of us all (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain).

[ex-khobar Andy]

Federal prosecutors could not get a grand jury to agree that 'sandwich guy' should be indicted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/us/p ... tment.html

[Sue U]

Feds flop in foot-long felony farce

Something something indict a ham sandwich ...

'Remarkable failure': Jeanine Pirro unable to indict guy who threw sandwich at agent

Travis Gettys
August 27, 2025 9:44AM ET

Jeanine Pirro's office again failed to secure an indictment against a suspect accused of assaulting federal agents patrolling the streets of Washington, D.C.

The U.S. attorney's office was unable to persuade a federal grand jury to indict Sean Dunn on felony assault charges for throwing a submarine sandwich at a Customs and Border Protection officer in an incident caught on video that was widely shared on social media, reported the New York Times.

"The remarkable failure by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington was the second time in recent days that it was unable to persuade grand jurors to bring an indictment in a felony assault case against a federal agent," the Times reported. "And it amounted to a sharp rebuke by ordinary citizens against the team of prosecutors who are dealing with the fallout from President Trump’s move to send National Guard troops and federal agents into the city on patrol."

The newspaper noted that it's "extremely unusual" for prosecutors to come away without an indictment because they control the information the grand jury hears about the case, and defendants aren't even allowed to have their lawyers in the room as the evidence is presented.

"[President Donald] Trump’s decision to flood the streets of Washington with federal agents and military personnel who are generally not trained in conducting routine police stops has resulted in a flurry of defendants being charged with federal crimes that would typically be handled at the local court level, if they were filed at all," the Times reported. "It has also led to an increasing number of embarrassments for federal prosecutors, who have had to dismiss weak cases or reduce the charges that defendants were facing in recent days."

Prosecutors refiled charges in another case against Sidney Lori Reid, a woman accused of injuring an FBI agent during a pro-immigrant protest last month at a Washington jail, after they were unable to secure an indictment three times.

The new charges against Reid were downgraded to misdemeanor after prosecutors failed to get a felony indictment.

Source: https://www.rawstory.com/sean-dunn-sandwich-failure/

[liberty]

Feds flop in foot-long felony farce

Something something indict a ham sandwich ...

'Remarkable failure': Jeanine Pirro unable to indict guy who threw sandwich at agent

Travis Gettys
August 27, 2025 9:44AM ET

Jeanine Pirro's office again failed to secure an indictment against a suspect accused of assaulting federal agents patrolling the streets of Washington, D.C.

The U.S. attorney's office was unable to persuade a federal grand jury to indict Sean Dunn on felony assault charges for throwing a submarine sandwich at a Customs and Border Protection officer in an incident caught on video that was widely shared on social media, reported the New York Times.

"The remarkable failure by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington was the second time in recent days that it was unable to persuade grand jurors to bring an indictment in a felony assault case against a federal agent," the Times reported. "And it amounted to a sharp rebuke by ordinary citizens against the team of prosecutors who are dealing with the fallout from President Trump’s move to send National Guard troops and federal agents into the city on patrol."

The newspaper noted that it's "extremely unusual" for prosecutors to come away without an indictment because they control the information the grand jury hears about the case, and defendants aren't even allowed to have their lawyers in the room as the evidence is presented.

"[President Donald] Trump’s decision to flood the streets of Washington with federal agents and military personnel who are generally not trained in conducting routine police stops has resulted in a flurry of defendants being charged with federal crimes that would typically be handled at the local court level, if they were filed at all," the Times reported. "It has also led to an increasing number of embarrassments for federal prosecutors, who have had to dismiss weak cases or reduce the charges that defendants were facing in recent days."

Prosecutors refiled charges in another case against Sidney Lori Reid, a woman accused of injuring an FBI agent during a pro-immigrant protest last month at a Washington jail, after they were unable to secure an indictment three times.

The new charges against Reid were downgraded to misdemeanor after prosecutors failed to get a felony indictment.

Source: https://www.rawstory.com/sean-dunn-sandwich-failure/

That's interesting. I remember a situation that happened in a park some years ago, where a man confronted a Puerto Rican woman and made negative comments about Puerto Rico. He faced something like two years in jail for assault, even though he never laid a hand on her. Just words. So why the different standard here?

[Big RR]

Gee,I don't know what happened and why he is not being tried--maybe because the grand jury did not indict him? He faced pretty substantial penalties if he was tried and convicted but, like it or not, our system provides safeguards like presentment to a grand jury of your peers who are free to vote to indict or not indict.

In the case you talk about, I don't know what he did or what he was charged with, but if he faced 2 years in prison he would also have to be indicted and convicted, just like this guy. But you seem to want to make everything into a racial issue.

[liberty]

If, in the end, it turns out that the people of the city prefer a town the high crime rate, and we, the citizens of America, who want a capital we can be proud of, then the obvious solution would be to let the residents keep their city and move the capital of the United States to a different location, one with no permanent residents. That way, we’d have no crime rate in our capital, and we’d finally have a national capital we can be proud, and the residents of DC could keep their crime ridden town. It would be best if the residents of D.C. changed the name to something other than Washington; he was too good and great a man to have his name associated with such a place.

[BoSoxGal]

Feds flop in foot-long felony farce

Something something indict a ham sandwich ...

'Remarkable failure': Jeanine Pirro unable to indict guy who threw sandwich at agent

Travis Gettys
August 27, 2025 9:44AM ET

Jeanine Pirro's office again failed to secure an indictment against a suspect accused of assaulting federal agents patrolling the streets of Washington, D.C.

The U.S. attorney's office was unable to persuade a federal grand jury to indict Sean Dunn on felony assault charges for throwing a submarine sandwich at a Customs and Border Protection officer in an incident caught on video that was widely shared on social media, reported the New York Times.

"The remarkable failure by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington was the second time in recent days that it was unable to persuade grand jurors to bring an indictment in a felony assault case against a federal agent," the Times reported. "And it amounted to a sharp rebuke by ordinary citizens against the team of prosecutors who are dealing with the fallout from President Trump’s move to send National Guard troops and federal agents into the city on patrol."

The newspaper noted that it's "extremely unusual" for prosecutors to come away without an indictment because they control the information the grand jury hears about the case, and defendants aren't even allowed to have their lawyers in the room as the evidence is presented.

"[President Donald] Trump’s decision to flood the streets of Washington with federal agents and military personnel who are generally not trained in conducting routine police stops has resulted in a flurry of defendants being charged with federal crimes that would typically be handled at the local court level, if they were filed at all," the Times reported. "It has also led to an increasing number of embarrassments for federal prosecutors, who have had to dismiss weak cases or reduce the charges that defendants were facing in recent days."

Prosecutors refiled charges in another case against Sidney Lori Reid, a woman accused of injuring an FBI agent during a pro-immigrant protest last month at a Washington jail, after they were unable to secure an indictment three times.

The new charges against Reid were downgraded to misdemeanor after prosecutors failed to get a felony indictment.

Source: https://www.rawstory.com/sean-dunn-sandwich-failure/

That's interesting. I remember a situation that happened in a park some years ago, where a man confronted a Puerto Rican woman and made negative comments about Puerto Rico. He faced something like two years in jail for assault, even though he never laid a hand on her. Just words. So why the different standard here?

Did you take a civics course at any point in your American public schools education, assuming that is where you were educated?

Are you entirely unfamiliar with the function of a grand jury? Are you entirely unfamiliar with the function of prosecutorial discretion?

The short primer is that the American criminal justice system is not a vending machine into which you place a set of facts and out of which you get some candy-coated criminal charges.

The function of grand juries and prosecutors is to represent the community's conscience in levying charges, or not, based on behavior which might possibly rise to the parameters set forth in criminal statutes legislated by the duly elected representatives of the citizens. A great deal of discretion is afforded to prosecutors in making these determinations, as well as to grand jurors who have within the scope of their powers the ability to nullify laws if they choose to in any given case.

Your friend who aggressively harassed the American citizen from Puerto Rico who was wearing a Puerto Rico t-shirt (and who was apparently too fucking stupid to realize that PUERTO RICO IS PART OF AMERICA) got two years probation and 200 hours community service, after another jury of his peers found him GUILTY AS FUCK of felony hate crimes for his behavior - which a grand jury of Illinois citizens found to meet the parameters of the felony hate crime statue there. It's a disgusting case, made all the more disgusting because a sworn police officer who was present, witnessing the behavior, and to whom the victim plead for help to intervene as the bigot's attack escalated, DID FUCK ALL to help. He resigned after it was made clear to him he would be terminated from the police force for his failure to protect and serve. You fucking bigots are everywhere. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mia-irizar ... -for-help/

A grand jury of District citizens have TWICE laughed in the face of the USA's office for trying to bring felony charges over an 'assault' with a sandwich on an armed Border Patrol agent. Praise be to those citizens, IMNSHO.

[liberty]

Gee,I don't know what happened and why he is not being tried--maybe because the grand jury did not indict him? He faced pretty substantial penalties if he was tried and convicted but, like it or not, our system provides safeguards like presentment to a grand jury of your peers who are free to vote to indict or not indict.

In the case you talk about, I don't know what he did or what he was charged with, but if he faced 2 years in prison he would also have to be indicted and convicted, just like this guy. But you seem to want to make everything into a racial issue.

All I want is equal treatment for everyone. This guy was charged with a felony hate crime, but I heard no racist words. The only thing I saw was that she was Puerto Rican, she displayed a Puerto Rican flag, and he didn’t like Puerto Rico. I think he has a right not to like Puerto Rico. After all, Puerto Rican guerrillas have killed American service members, blown up aircraft on the Puerto Rican National Guard base, and even shot up the United States Congress. So why was she charged with a hate crime, should it had not been a misdemeanor?



https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/21 ... flag-shirt
Timothy Trybus avoided prison Monday for a racist rant in a Cook County forest preserve last year that was caught on video and went viral.

“I’m extremely embarrassed and saddened by that day,” Trybus said, his voice quavering as he spoke in a Skokie courtroom.

Cook County Judge Aleksandra Nikolic Gillespie, without comment, handed Trybus two years of probation and 200 hours of community service.


Prosecutors had also sought probation, saying Trybus’ target in the June 2018 rant had moved on with her life and wasn’t seeking prison time for Trybus, who has no other felony history.

Trybus faced up to five years in prison.

Timothy Trybus
Timothy TrybusCook County Forest Preserve District
Trybus was found guilty by a jury last month of two counts of a felony hate crime.

In closing arguments, prosecutors said Trybus’ yelling at Mia Irizarry on June 14, 2018, in the Caldwell Woods was more than simply the behavior of a “racist jerk.”

Irizarry feared for her safety when Trybus repeatedly approached her, getting so close she could feel his breath on her body — all because he didn’t approve of her Puerto Rico flag T-shirt, prosecutors told jurors. Irizarry recorded the event on her phone — a video that later went viral and was a key feature of the trial.

“Being drunk, being intoxicated in no way excuses the defendant in what he did,” Assistant State’s Attorney Patricia Berlinsky said.

But David Goldman, Trybus’ attorney, said his client’s behavior “wasn’t hateful as much as it was stupid.”

And Goldman said Irizarry didn’t appear to feel threatened, noting she calmly took out her phone and made a 36-minute video of the incident.

[BoSoxGal]

Gee,I don't know what happened and why he is not being tried--maybe because the grand jury did not indict him? He faced pretty substantial penalties if he was tried and convicted but, like it or not, our system provides safeguards like presentment to a grand jury of your peers who are free to vote to indict or not indict.

In the case you talk about, I don't know what he did or what he was charged with, but if he faced 2 years in prison he would also have to be indicted and convicted, just like this guy. But you seem to want to make everything into a racial issue.

All I want is equal treatment for everyone. This guy was charged with a felony hate crime, but I heard no racist words. The only thing I saw was that she was Puerto Rican, she displayed a Puerto Rican flag, and he didn’t like Puerto Rico. I think he has a right not to like Puerto Rico. After all, Puerto Rican guerrillas have killed American service members, blown up aircraft on the Puerto Rican National Guard base, and even shot up the United States Congress. So why was she charged with a hate crime, should it had not been a misdemeanor?



https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/21 ... flag-shirt
Timothy Trybus avoided prison Monday for a racist rant in a Cook County forest preserve last year that was caught on video and went viral.

“I’m extremely embarrassed and saddened by that day,” Trybus said, his voice quavering as he spoke in a Skokie courtroom.

Cook County Judge Aleksandra Nikolic Gillespie, without comment, handed Trybus two years of probation and 200 hours of community service.


Prosecutors had also sought probation, saying Trybus’ target in the June 2018 rant had moved on with her life and wasn’t seeking prison time for Trybus, who has no other felony history.

Trybus faced up to five years in prison.

Timothy Trybus
Timothy TrybusCook County Forest Preserve District
Trybus was found guilty by a jury last month of two counts of a felony hate crime.

In closing arguments, prosecutors said Trybus’ yelling at Mia Irizarry on June 14, 2018, in the Caldwell Woods was more than simply the behavior of a “racist jerk.”

Irizarry feared for her safety when Trybus repeatedly approached her, getting so close she could feel his breath on her body — all because he didn’t approve of her Puerto Rico flag T-shirt, prosecutors told jurors. Irizarry recorded the event on her phone — a video that later went viral and was a key feature of the trial.

“Being drunk, being intoxicated in no way excuses the defendant in what he did,” Assistant State’s Attorney Patricia Berlinsky said.

But David Goldman, Trybus’ attorney, said his client’s behavior “wasn’t hateful as much as it was stupid.”

And Goldman said Irizarry didn’t appear to feel threatened, noting she calmly took out her phone and made a 36-minute video of the incident.

OF COURSE the fucking defense attorney is going to say that, he's defending the indefensible.

SHE is the only person who knows what SHE was feeling, and SHE was PLEADING for the police officer watching to intervene because SHE WAS AFRAID.

The jury believed HER, they did not believe the defense attorney - for very fucking obvious reasons.

You are disgusting liberty. I have tried, but I am at the end of my rope with you and you are going into the void of posters who are ignored. Others can enjoy your bigotry, I have had my fill. I hope you enjoy watching our country going to shit because of you and all the other MAGA idiots/bigots/hatemongers just like you.

[liberty]

I know the purpose of a grand jury is to protect the citizen from an overly aggressive government. But I also know that, like any jury, a grand jury can be stacked—especially if dishonorable people are in charge of compiling the jury pool. They say that in New York City, a favored prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. Maybe a poor boy sandwich should have been indicted instead.

[liberty]

Gee,I don't know what happened and why he is not being tried--maybe because the grand jury did not indict him? He faced pretty substantial penalties if he was tried and convicted but, like it or not, our system provides safeguards like presentment to a grand jury of your peers who are free to vote to indict or not indict.

In the case you talk about, I don't know what he did or what he was charged with, but if he faced 2 years in prison he would also have to be indicted and convicted, just like this guy. But you seem to want to make everything into a racial issue.

All I want is equal treatment for everyone. This guy was charged with a felony hate crime, but I heard no racist words. The only thing I saw was that she was Puerto Rican, she displayed a Puerto Rican flag, and he didn’t like Puerto Rico. I think he has a right not to like Puerto Rico. After all, Puerto Rican guerrillas have killed American service members, blown up aircraft on the Puerto Rican National Guard base, and even shot up the United States Congress. So why was she charged with a hate crime, should it had not been a misdemeanor?



https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/21 ... flag-shirt
Timothy Trybus avoided prison Monday for a racist rant in a Cook County forest preserve last year that was caught on video and went viral.

“I’m extremely embarrassed and saddened by that day,” Trybus said, his voice quavering as he spoke in a Skokie courtroom.

Cook County Judge Aleksandra Nikolic Gillespie, without comment, handed Trybus two years of probation and 200 hours of community service.


Prosecutors had also sought probation, saying Trybus’ target in the June 2018 rant had moved on with her life and wasn’t seeking prison time for Trybus, who has no other felony history.

Trybus faced up to five years in prison.

Timothy Trybus
Timothy TrybusCook County Forest Preserve District
Trybus was found guilty by a jury last month of two counts of a felony hate crime.

In closing arguments, prosecutors said Trybus’ yelling at Mia Irizarry on June 14, 2018, in the Caldwell Woods was more than simply the behavior of a “racist jerk.”

Irizarry feared for her safety when Trybus repeatedly approached her, getting so close she could feel his breath on her body — all because he didn’t approve of her Puerto Rico flag T-shirt, prosecutors told jurors. Irizarry recorded the event on her phone — a video that later went viral and was a key feature of the trial.

“Being drunk, being intoxicated in no way excuses the defendant in what he did,” Assistant State’s Attorney Patricia Berlinsky said.

But David Goldman, Trybus’ attorney, said his client’s behavior “wasn’t hateful as much as it was stupid.”

And Goldman said Irizarry didn’t appear to feel threatened, noting she calmly took out her phone and made a 36-minute video of the incident.

OF COURSE the fucking defense attorney is going to say that, he's defending the indefensible.

SHE is the only person who knows what SHE was feeling, and SHE was PLEADING for the police officer watching to intervene because SHE WAS AFRAID.

The jury believed HER, they did not believe the defense attorney - for very fucking obvious reasons.

You are disgusting liberty. I have tried, but I am at the end of my rope with you and you are going into the void of posters who are ignored. Others can enjoy your bigotry, I have had my fill. I hope you enjoy watching our country going to shit because of you and all the other MAGA idiots/bigots/hatemongers just like you.

But should have been a felony not to like Puerto Rico and just for expressing that fact.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Give the tone-deaf to racism lad his due . . .

move the capital of the United States to a different location, one with no permanent residents. That way, we’d have no crime rate in our capital, and we’d finally have a national capital we can be proud

He thinks a new capital without residents but harboring Trump, Traitor Greene, JV Dance, Johnson, Hegseth etc. would have "no crime rate"!!!!! and we'd be "proud" of a capital with only those excellent folks haunting it.