WWIII? Or just a little fuckery?

[Bicycle Bill]

"Liberals should not lead countries, at least not in wartime"??   Tell that to FDR, whose liberal (some might even say socialist) programs and policies brought us out of the Great Depression, and under whose leadership we were instrumental in winning not just one but TWO wars — WWII European Theater, against Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy; and WWII Pacific Theater against Imperial Japan.

-"BB"-

[ex-khobar Andy]

MAGA are the stupidest humans on Earth? Not really. Liberals are. Putin Has won the Ukraine war. This is more proof that liberals should not lead countries, at least not in wartime: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ze ... r-AA1PCeQB

FDR did a decent job during WW2. Just sayin'.

[liberty]

"Liberals should not lead countries, at least not in wartime"??   Tell that to FDR, whose liberal (some might even say socialist) programs and policies brought us out of the Great Depression, and under whose leadership we were instrumental in winning not just one but TWO wars — WWII European Theater, against Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy; and WWII Pacific Theater against Imperial Japan.

-"BB"-

Was FDR really a liberal, or was he more of a pragmatist like me? To me, it appears that Eleanor was the true liberal in the administration. And when it comes to World War II, Roosevelt served as president and handled the politics, whereas George Marshall directed the actual fighting of the war.

Now just go ahead and tell me that allowing a certain age group to leave the country and exempting them from the war is good military strategy. It has already had a negative impact on morale in the army and on support for the war. To me, this war is already starting to look too much like Vietnam. For people to be united in a shared struggle, there has to be a feeling of shared burden. If some begin to feel that they are carrying the weight while others escape it, they will lose the desire to fight and suffer. It has been argued that the young are worried about their survival—but isn’t that true of everyone? If everyone put their own interests first, no one would fight, and the Putin’s of the world would rule everyone, and democracy would die.

I once heard a liberal say that democracies put the best armies in the field. That is debatable. It appears to me that the Hitler and Stalin of the world could extract more from their armies than democratic leaders. That is why democracies demand such exceptional leaders of ironclad determination and courage. When a democracy is fighting a war, there is simply no place for a cowardly leader like Biden. I realize that is a personal opinion, but I base it on my observation of his timidity.

[MajGenl.Meade]

lib - I would not call FDR a liberal except by comparison to Hoover. You should read Hoo's speeches during the 30s - he was kind of OK with people starving because it was a correction to the economy. The true business of government was to govern and not fund infrastructure development - it was the job of big business to run things and then people would have jobs, no???? Those still alive anyway. I suppose you could go back to Jeffersonian times for the origin of that policy clash. It seems clear to me that Trump learned (?) his politics at seances involving Hoover's ghost.

As usual, you have a partial stick by the partial wrong end. (Which means you have something right). Travel restrictions from the Ukraine were relaxed for ages 18-22 - below the age of military service (25). Of course, those would eventually age-in to eligibility and it's likely 100,000 future-soldiers have left. In fact, many more than that left over the entire course of the war by simply fleeing illegally and deserting. No one knows if any or how many might return to defend their country.

A comparison with Vietnam is bullshit. That was a civil war with the USA on the blindingly obvious wrong side having made the stupid blunder of lying and cheating Uncle Ho as soon as they thought he had no use (and the French and British aided and abetted that shabby trick of course). Ukraine has been invaded by a foreign power - one that you keep urging to attack Alaska (I just wrote this to get you going) with your advice to young Americans being to run away now and not bother resisting.

And to call Zelensky a liberal is rather a stretch. Again, perhaps you are comparing him with Putin. Trump is a bit liberal compared to Putin.

[liberty]

I remember when liberals were claiming that Trump was a coward; well, he’s proved he’s not a coward, that much seems clear. But he might have a worse problem than cowardice. I think Trump has a phobia of failure; he can’t tolerate losing, he always has to be on the winning side, no matter what that side is, even if it isn’t actually in our best interest.

That mindset can be even more dangerous than fear itself. He seems convinced that Russia will win, so he wants to align himself with Russia, even though taking Russia’s side is definitely not in America’s long‑term interest.

At any rate, that’s how I see it.

[Crackpot]

Just figured that out did you?

[Big RR]

I remember when liberals were claiming that Trump was a coward; well, he’s proved he’s not a coward, that much seems clear. But he might have a worse problem than cowardice. I think Trump has a phobia of failure; he can’t tolerate losing, he always has to be on the winning side, no matter what that side is, even if it isn’t actually in our best interest.

That mindset can be even more dangerous than fear itself. He seems convinced that Russia will win, so he wants to align himself with Russia, even though taking Russia’s side is definitely not in America’s long‑term interest.

At any rate, that’s how I see it.

Isn't that what a coward is--someone not having the courage of his or her own convictions? OR id Trump even afraid to have convictions?

In any event, I fail to see how he has "proved he's not a coward".

[MajGenl.Meade]

Isn't that what a coward is--someone not having the courage of his or her own convictions? OR id Trump even afraid to have convictions?

In any event, I fail to see how he has "proved he's not a coward".

Trumps has convictions - on at least 34 counts. But aside from that, he is convinced of his own superiority and value. It doesn't take courage to be a narcissistic asshole. His father secured him an exemption from service in Vietnam by getting one of his tenants (a podiatrist) to issue a fake diagnosis of debilitating bone spurs in return for free building maintenance/repairs. The Donald J Trump who despises cowards and fakers claims not to remember the name of the doctor.

He is a coward and has done nothing whatever to prove that he is not. (OTOH neither have I)