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And on a more serious note, if the war ends successfully and Iran is able to export its oil again without restrictions, then the world price will really calm down, and you’ll see genuinely cheap gas.
Please. Stop shilling for Trump. :roll:

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liberty wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2026 7:37 pm
if the war ends successfully
Hahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahh *wheeze* hahahahahahahahahahhahhahaLOL!

Which American war has "ended successfully" in the last 80 years? What does "ending successfully" in Iran even look like, and how is that achieved? What if the Israelis have a different idea? What if Saudi Arabia/UAE/Qatar/Bahrain have even more different ideas? What was the immediate threat that justified this war? Why is Iran not interested in negotiating peace? How long can this war be sustained?

Stop being such a credulous tool. The Trump/Bibi war carries the distinct possibility of tipping the world into economic collapse when coupled with the looming AI bubble financial crisis (which, if/when it happens, will make 2008 look like a minor blip). What do you think happens then?
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Fascinating reporting this morning on how Zelenskyy met with and offered Trump the Ukrainian tech that intercepts and destroys Russian drones (made for Russia by Iran) they are using to hold off the Russian invasion and Trump laughed at Zelenskyy and rejected his proposal, which was to build a USA drone defense in the Middle East that would have very likely saved 7 of the soldiers killed in the opening Iranian retaliation against our illegal strikes.

https://www.axios.com/2026/03/10/us-ukr ... sights.com

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026 ... d-iran-war


Trump is so stupid - he hates Zelenskyy for whatever stupid reasons (while loving Putin) and so he laughs off this huge Ukraine thank you to the American people and gets our troops killed as a result.
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140 wounded, some very seriously.

I’m sure that’s also not the whole truth.
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Burning Petard wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2026 3:46 pm
Stop spread of Nuclear weapons? Why would one think the present USofA Commander in Chief can be trusted with them?

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You’re referring to the temporary Commander in Chief of the United States, as opposed to the permanent dictator of Iran.
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Big RR wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 1:01 pm
And on a more serious note, if the war ends successfully and Iran is able to export its oil again without restrictions, then the world price will really calm down, and you’ll see genuinely cheap gas.
Please. Stop shilling for Trump. :roll:
I don’t shill; my opinion doesn’t change just because the president does. It will be the same regardless of who is president. Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979, and we’ve just ignored it. The Iranian mullahs do not see the necessity for a formal declaration of war when they believe they’re fighting Satan.
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Of course they have. :roll:

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Sue U wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 1:25 pm
liberty wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2026 7:37 pm
if the war ends successfully
Hahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahh *wheeze* hahahahahahahahahahhahhahaLOL!

Which American war has "ended successfully" in the last 80 years? What does "ending successfully" in Iran even look like, and how is that achieved? What if the Israelis have a different idea? What if Saudi Arabia/UAE/Qatar/Bahrain have even more different ideas? What was the immediate threat that justified this war? Why is Iran not interested in negotiating peace? How long can this war be sustained?

Stop being such a credulous tool. The Trump/Bibi war carries the distinct possibility of tipping the world into economic collapse when coupled with the looming AI bubble financial crisis (which, if/when it happens, will make 2008 look like a minor blip). What do you think happens then?
It must be heartwarming to the Iranian mullahs that you believe in the purity of their system. To be honest, there are even a few things about their system that I wonder if we might adapt; but overall, look at what they do to homosexuals, women, minorities, or anyone who disagrees with them. They are dangerous because they do not see the world the way mortal humans do. I do not see them as hypocrites; I think they are true believers, and that is what makes them so dangerous.

They cannot be allowed to have nukes; that would be the definition of failure in this struggle. They must not obtain nuclear weapons, and they must be weakened to the point that they will not be a threat for a while. I hope it does not come to that, but it may be necessary to destroy their oil industry; it would impoverish the Iranian people for a while, at least, but it may be necessary.

Also, when did oil become the savior of the world economy? If alternative fuels were the answer, shouldn’t you want higher gas prices to usher in a new age of energy? Everyone can just drive electric cars. Has something changed? Is oil no longer the environmental enemy of the world, or is it only American oil companies that are the problem.

Since you’re going to say that they do not have nukes, here is the explanation: most analysts believe that Iran has all the components necessary to assemble nuclear weapons, except for fully enriched uranium, and they are close to having that as well. These components can be put together in a very short period of time; faster than we can react, since they would be operating in secret.
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Big RR wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2026 3:11 pm
Of course they have. :roll:
So you don’t believe that Iran has been killing Americans through its proxies for decades?
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I do believe American has been killing Palestinians, Kurds, Armenians, and many others, for decades. Please note that the last legally elected democratic government in Iran was deposed by America and the autocratic Shaw installed.

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liberty wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2026 3:53 pm
So you don’t believe that Iran has been killing Americans through its proxies for decades?
I don't know. Why don't you elucidate by naming dates and places along with the number of USians killed and who killed them?
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How many Iranians were killed when the US Vincennes shot down a commercial passenger jet?

Was it more or less than the number of elementary school aged children and their parents we just killed with the erroneous double tap on the blue and pink painted schoolhouse?

How many US Americans has Iran and its proxies killed since 1979? Is it anywhere close to the ~3000 Saudi Arabia slaughtered on 9/11, and we kiss their ass routinely since?

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Wed Mar 11, 2026 7:56 pm
How many Iranians were killed when the US Vincennes shot down a commercial passenger jet?

Was it more or less than the number of elementary school aged children and their parents we just killed with the erroneous double tap on the blue and pink painted schoolhouse?

How many US Americans has Iran and its proxies killed since 1979? Is it anywhere close to the ~3000 Saudi Arabia slaughtered on 9/11, and we kiss their ass routinely since?

It’s all a sick game.
There is no evidence that the Saudi government or senior Saudi officials funded or assisted in the attack on the World Trade Center. However, it is possible that some low‑level officials did assist individual hijackers, and some Saudi citizens have donated money to radical causes. But there is no evidence that they intended that money to be used against the United States.

BSG put me back on Ignore. This stuff is not good for you. Take care of your health; that’s the most important thing.
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Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979, and we’ve simply ignored it. Over the decades, Iran and its proxies have carried out a long list of hostile acts against Americans: the seizure of our embassy and the 444‑day hostage crisis; the 1983 Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut, carried out by Hezbollah with Iranian backing, which killed 241 U.S. service members; the bombings of U.S. diplomatic and military sites in Lebanon; the Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia; Iran’s supply of explosively formed penetrators and other weapons that killed hundreds of American troops in Iraq; the kidnapping and murder of U.S. soldiers in Karbala; repeated rocket and drone attacks on U.S. bases by Iran‑backed militias; cyberattacks on American institutions; harassment of U.S. naval vessels in the Persian Gulf; and the 2016 seizure of U.S. Navy sailors for propaganda purposes. Iran has also routinely detained American citizens on fabricated charges and used them as bargaining chips. This is not a peaceful nation minding its own business; it is a regime that has targeted Americans directly and indirectly for nearly half a century.
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This is not a peaceful nation minding its own business; it is a regime that has targeted Americans directly and indirectly for nearly half a century.
And according to the experts, propagandists,one that has been on the verge og making nuclear weapons in a matter weeks for decades. Sure, their government is a bit crazy (maybe a lot crazy), but most of the aggressions against the US were payback for us unleashing the shah on them and giving him the tools to oppress the Iranian people. That anger can last a long time but face it, if they were a few weeks away from making nukes, why wouldn't they have done it decades, or even years or months ago; stop listening to the propaganda and reacting without nay thought. But we'll continue in our nation building , sorry, deliverance of the Iranian people by installing another brutal despot, and our kids or grandkids will suffer the consequences after the Iranians step of and throw him or her our. And what do you bet they won't have nuclear weapons then either, but they'll still be in weeks of building them? But at least Trump is distracting us from his friendship with Epstein, spending billions on his idiotic deportation scheme, and his war on civil rights, right/

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Iran Trump has been at war with the United States since 1979, and we’ve simply ignored it.
FTFY
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liberty wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2026 2:54 pm

You’re referring to the temporary Commander in Chief of the United States, as opposed to the permanent dictator of Iran.
I don't know whether you noticed lib, but he wasn't very permanent as of a few days ago. I don't shed many tears for Khamenei; but I certainly do not approve of this stupid war.

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I'll not do the whole of your list lib. During the 444 day hostage crisis how many Americans were killed? Yes 240 marines were killed in the Beirut bombings - the perpetrator was probably a home grown Lebanese Islamic militia. (Associated question - how come Ronnie is a saint while Hillary was grilled for hours about 4 deaths in Libya and Biden gets to carry the can for 13 deaths in Afghanistan? Weird, that.). The Khobar Towers bombing (I lived close by but years after - I had friends who were close by at the time) was probably Al Qaeda. And the 2016 sailors had lost their way in the gulf - failed basic navigation because they never should have been in a boat anywhere near enemy territory - total idiots - I could have taught them basic shoreline navigation because I know how to use a fucking sextant and a chart - they were essentially rescued by the Iranians and returned unharmed.

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