USA & Israel launch illegal war on Iran

[BoSoxGal]

[liberty]

Certainly there are some who welcome the US presence

And, like many before them in foreign lands, those who cherish freedom will come to regret it. Freedom comes from within, it is never handed to you. And the US has proven that again and again--"colored lights can hypnotize, sparkle someone else's eyes".

On this, I agree with you: you can’t give people freedom, prosperity, or security. They have to achieve those things for themselves. We’ve tried in the past and always failed. We’ve poured billions and billions of dollars into Africa trying to help countries develop and raise their standard of living. For the most part, it has been a total failure. Foreign aid is, for the most part, a waste of money.

I think I agree with Paul Trudeau: the best thing the West could do for Africa and other developing countries is to pull out our NGOs out, what he calls the “merchants of virtue”, and just leave them alone. In time, they would fix their own problems.

And if the people of Iran do not take advantage of this opportunity, then that is their problem. All we should try to do is weaken the regime to the point that it won’t be a threat to us for a while. As I said before, defeating Iran would require a massive buildup, a draft, and total national commitment. Otherwise, we cannot defeat Iran. We can destroy their government and their military, but we cannot defeat the country, simply because there are too many places for a guerrilla army to hide in the mountains.

Think about this: if we can’t defeat Iran, what makes you think we could defeat Russia? Russia could attack us in Alaska and then pull back into Siberia If it didn’t work. What could we do about it,
wait until they attack again?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Think about this: if we can’t defeat Iran, what makes you think we could defeat Russia? Russia could attack us in Alaska and then pull back into Siberia If it didn’t work. What could we do about it, wait until they attack again?

Good, lib. You're finally coming into alignment with everyone else. You're right - we can't "defeat" Russia. And you're right again - Russia cannot "defeat" us. Just as we cannot "defeat" Iran, nor they us. The entire "war" against Iran is pointless as regards "winning" and absolutely a detriment to the world, economically to say the least.

Trump has spent countless hours and words over many years attacking the USA's allies across the world. Placing arbitrary tariffs, removing them again, issuing threats, insulting and demeaning this country's friends. This is the man who was elected (at least partially) on his promise of lower petrol prices and "no more wars".

And so here he is - attacking Iran with no goal, no end-plan, and his only allies are a fascist Israeli PM and a Soviet bully whose only redeeming feature is that he isn't Trump. Other than that, they are all one anti-world junta playing in their sandboxes - deadly sandboxes to all of us.

[Scooter]

The village idiot is suddenly silent about his accusations that we support the Iranian regime, now that no one fell into the moronic "trap" he tried to set for us.

[Big RR]

I agree with Meade--we cannot defeat Russia, nor can they defeat us. And it we were to be attacked by a foreign army entering our territory I have no doubt that we'd have the wherewithal and support of the American people to force them out (well maybe not if Palin were still governor ).

Russia could attack us in Alaska and then pull back into Siberia If it didn’t work. What could we do about it,
wait until they attack again?

What else would you have us do other than to beef up defense? Going into Russia would just set up a war on two fronts--the western front into Russia from Alaska and likely in Eastern front with out NATO allies, but it would also open us to a lot of terrorist attacks, even if we were to defeat the Russian army. It makes must more sense to foster negotiation and cooperation among nations, but the pumpkinhead in chief refuses to do that, insulting friend and foe alike with his asinine rhetoric. So we bluster into war/police action after war/police action, achieving nothing but death and destruction at the urging of a clueless asshole.

[BoSoxGal]

[Scooter]

[liberty]

Just in case anyone here feels the need to defend the Islamic government of Iran, you need to remember who you’re talking about. The regime doesn’t compromise with people; they send out plainclothes militia forces to suppress protests, and they have used live ammunition against civilians. Human rights groups have documented hundreds of deaths during crackdowns. They have beaten women for dress‑code violations, and at least one woman, Mahsa Amini, died after being detained by the morality police. Torture and abuse in detention are also documented.

There are claims that their proxies captured and killed an American colonel, but the details are not fully verified. What is documented is that Iran‑backed militants in Lebanon kidnapped and murdered U.S. Marine Colonel William Higgins.

This is the same mindset that used child soldiers during the Iran–Iraq War. The story about “mine sheep,” children forced to clear minefields, is widely repeated but not confirmed by reliable evidence; though given the regime’s history of abuses, I find it believable. They were also linked to the attack in Lebanon that killed over 200 U.S. Marines through their proxy, Hezbollah. I believe they don’t think the way normal governments do; they see humanitarianism as weakness.

During periods of strict enforcement and propaganda, women were required to wear the hijab. Iranian law so‑called “honor killings” can result in reduced penalties, meaning a husband who kills his wife for alleged infidelity may receive a lighter sentence. They also execute people for homosexual relationships.

[Scooter]

Just in case anyone here feels the need to defend the Islamic government of Iran

You already tried this and were shot down, did you think trying it again would somehow get more traction?

And you wonder why you're called a brain dead moron.