UK too tolerant?

[Gob]

A protest by hundreds of Osama Bin Laden supporters sparked fury outside the US Embassy in London today as they staged a mock 'funeral service' for the terror leader.

Police stepped in to separate the protesters and members of the English Defence League amid threats of violence from both sides. Radicals carrying placards proclaiming 'Islam will dominate the world' branded US leaders 'murderers' and warned vengeance attacks were 'guaranteed'.

For many, it was a shock that the protest was allowed to go ahead in the first place as it came shortly after the verdict into the 7/7 inquest was released by Lady Justice Heather Hallett. She recorded that the 52 victims had been 'unlawfully' killed when four terrorists attacked three London Underground trains and a bus in 2005. Lady Justice Hallett made a string of recommendations to both MI5 to prevent further atrocities and to 999 workers to react more effectively to major events.

Relatives of the victims wept openly as the judge announced her verdict and she paid tribute to their 'quiet dignity' before reading the name of each person who died.

However just three miles from the Royal Court of Justice, Muslim protester Abu Muaz, 28, from east London claimed 'it is only a matter of time' before another attack and that the 'West is the enemy'. The capital has seen heightened security in recent days over fears of a revenge attacks by Al-Qaeda members. The protest against Bin Laden's death was organised by controversial preacher Anjem Choudary - who praised both 7/7 and the September 11 attacks.

The former UK leader of the outlawed al-Muhajiroun and member of the 'poppy-burning' Muslims Against Crusades extremist group called on the U.S. to return bin Laden's body to relatives. He has already warned of another 7/7-style terror attack in the wake of Bin Laden's death. Britain has followed the US in placing its embassies, diplomatic missions and military bases around the world on heightened alert in recent days.

An EDL member did manage to slip through police lines to unveil an effigy of Bin Laden in the middle of the 300-strong group of extremist Muslims. It prompted screams of 'USA, burn in hell' and 'Obama, burn in hell' from angry protesters. The protests from both sides left onlookers in Grosvenor Square unimpressed.





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[Sean]

Simple really. Any resident of the UK who states that the UK is their enemy or publicly supports terrorism should be treated as persona non grata and a potential terrorist. Citizenship (if any) should be revoked and deportation should follow immediately with no right of appeal.

[Gob]

I love you Sean.

[Sean]

I know...

[SisterMaryFellatio]

Ewwww man love!

[Big RR]

So thoughts and ideas without actions should be crimes, or at least bases for revocation of rights and deportation. Orwell would be proud, the ministry of truth will reign. And we'll wind up with a secure society not worth protecting--oops, off to the ministry with me.

[Miles]

Well the judge did suggest that Mi5 get more involved and I am pretty sure that the FBI will be watching closely those who publicly declare an intent to carry out terrorist acts.

[Gob]

So thoughts and ideas without actions should be crimes, or at least bases for revocation of rights and deportation.

Declaring yourself an enemy of the country, and supporting attacks on it's citizens, should be reason enough for deportation.

In case you missed it BigRR, they were protesting against the country in which they live on the day that the 7/7 attack report came out.

Four suicide bombers struck in central London on Thursday 7 July, killing 52 people and injuring more than 770.

The co-ordinated attacks hit the transport system as the morning rush hour drew to a close.

Three bombs went off at or around 0850 BST on underground trains just outside Liverpool Street and Edgware Road stations, and on another travelling between King's Cross and Russell Square.

The final explosion was around an hour later on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square, not far from King's Cross.

Four bombs:
Three on underground trains
One on bus

Victims:
26 at Russell Square
13 on bus at Tavistock Place
7 at Aldgate
6 at Edgware Road

Suicide bombers:
Hasib Hussain
Mohammad Sidique Khan
Germaine Lindsay
Shehzad Tanweer

It's enough to make you vote BNP.

[Sean]

So thoughts and ideas without actions should be crimes, or at least bases for revocation of rights and deportation. Orwell would be proud, the ministry of truth will reign. And we'll wind up with a secure society not worth protecting--oops, off to the ministry with me.

To further what Strop said, declaring oneself an enemy of the country should be punishable depending on citizenship status. If the person is a citizen it should be considered treasonous and deportation plus revocation of citizenship is getting off lightly. A non-citizen should be considered a threat to the community and removed from the community.

Nothing Orwellian about it Big RR. If a person was in your house and declared you and your family to be his enemy and threatened violence against you would you:

a.) Make him leave pretty sharpish
b.) Make him coffee

[Scooter]

Threatening violence is a completely different animal that has nothing to do with what is being discussed here. And your analogy is off. To be analogous to a citizen, the "person...in [BigRR's] house" would be a co-owner, and even if he/she proclaimed BigRR to be his/her enemy, BigRR would have no right to force him/her to leave.

[Gob]

'it is only a matter of time' before another attack and that the 'West is the enemy'.

I think that can be construed as a threat.



I belive the posters carried here constitue a threat.

Kick the fuckers out, if they hate the west so much they can go back east...

[Scooter]

"It's only a matter of time before another attack" is a statement that anyone could assert as a matter of pretty much assured fact.

"Islam will dominate the world" sounds very much like a lot of British rhetoric of the 19th, and American rhetoric of the 20th, centuries.

Heck, Canadian Prime Minister Wilfrid Laurier once said, "the 20th century belongs to Canada." Sounds like the language of "domination" to me.

Kick the fuckers out, if they hate the west so much they can go back east...

Sure, let's erode our freedom to say what we think, and let the terrorists win by default, since that is precisely their aim.

[Gob]

I could live with that Scoot.

I could live without another 7/7 too..

[Sean]

Threatening violence is a completely different animal that has nothing to do with what is being discussed here. And your analogy is off. To be analogous to a citizen, the "person...in [BigRR's] house" would be a co-owner, and even if he/she proclaimed BigRR to be his/her enemy, BigRR would have no right to force him/her to leave.

I'm not sure about Canada but I've never heard of UK citizens being thought of as co-owners of the country... Maybe somebody can enlighten me on this. I'd compare this situation to a tenant rather than a co-owner. If the tenant told the landlord that he was the enemy and that attacks on the house were 'guaranteed' do you think he just might be evicted? A non-citizen serves the analogy of a guest in somebody's home (a guest who pays their way of course... maybe they bring dessert). Indeed as an Australian permanent resident that is how I view myself.

From the first paragraph of the article...

Police stepped in to separate the protesters and members of the English Defence League amid threats of violence from both sides. Radicals carrying placards proclaiming 'Islam will dominate the world' branded US leaders 'murderers' and warned vengeance attacks were 'guaranteed'.

You don't see that as threatening violence?

[Scooter]

Should the EDL types who were there seeking confrontation and threatening violence also be deported?

[Gob]

That wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Sean]

Let me put it another, slightly more emotional way Scoot.
Apart from my wife and child, my entire family lives in the UK. I do not want them to live with the fear that Ahmed next door might suddenly decide to put his money where his mouth is and blow them to kingdom come. Would you?

Would you not want people who were bent on bringing harm to those you loved moved to a place where they did not pose a threat?

Honestly?

[Gob]

However, another man who prayed at the Mosque said the group were a dangerous minority. He said: "They are crazy. They all benefit from UK education and UK benefits.

"They get everything for free and yet they still complain. They are not Islam, they are for Osama.

"You see the people walking past and ignoring them. Most Muslims have better things to do then this."



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Well said sir!

[Scooter]

Would you not want people who were bent on bringing harm to those you loved moved to a place where they did not pose a threat?

Bent on bringing harm, or spewing a lot of hot air?

There are laws that make it a crime to threaten violence. If they are not being enforced, that is a problem, one remedy to which is to go and lay an information yourself and force the issue.

But "the West is the enemy" doesn't rise to that standard.

[Gob]

So we just rest assured that they are just spewing hot air, and that it will not egg others on into doing another 7/7, as Scoot, (from the safety of Canada,) thinks that's what we should do eh?