That might be true Timster, but he was speaking through his arse when he stated:
All, without exception, all women I have ever spoken to who have given birth, have revelled in the process, even the long labor natural ones. They also seem to like the pregnancy, especially AFTER
All I can think is he doesn't have much contact with women. (And I really don't need to be an American to state that.)
Really? responding to this and another statistical post about PPD, I have to ask, since when did it become accepted or even assumed that PPD lasts beyond a short period of time? this is exactly akin to claiming you will have sharp pain for life because you once had abdominal surgery. As I clearly stated and you quoted twice (which proves you beleive I stated it) women are positive about the experience AFTER it. Which of course implies they do. it. again.
PPD is generally short lived and generally treated without medication. You, and anyone else who posted on that should know that. I do not know the ages of your two kids, but lets say it is over 8 years since your last. you clearly, by your own words still harbor resentment towards the process *8 years down the road*. This hardly makes your experiences normal.
and worse yet, rudimentary investigation shows that the Austrailian, UK, new zealand and US populations are experiencing positive growth rate due to births. Oz, much more so than the US. So unless you contend that men are repeatedly raping women in abortion free zones, not only did you get the overall analysis wrong, you got it way wrong for every country you lived in or could reasonably be expexcted to live in.
Now getting onto the whole 'I know more people than you do' tact you have diverted us onto, lets look at some facts.
Not meaning to denigrate or anything, but since you brought it up, if we pretend to know NOTHING else about each other, other than what is posted here and few other places, you revel in extolling a personality that has a dour outlook on life with a generally <snarky> disposition. No one will dispute that.
while I clearly present myself as an extroverted glass half full person, you take pains to present yourself as 'glass mostly empty', 'it was dirty and cracked' and 'I didnt like what was in the glass anyways'. Again not to be insulting but basic human nature leads us to associate with people with similar outlooks on life and we have no expectation that that is not holding here. So based on what we know, there is a collection of what 5-6 women who sit around and complain about childbrith. For many years after the fact? Your own husband will affirm that those who do harbor such PPD feelings for so long WILL transfer them to the children themselves. Oh that is healthy.
As a partial aside and perfect segue, just the other week a number of us were discussing boats, personal pleasurecraft boats. It came out that I have taught, personally over 200 adults how to water ski over the last 23 seasons. Since I got my first boat at age 24 this means they were all child bearing age adults at various steps of the process over the years. and they were a small subset of the people that spent those days on the water. seeing as this is but a small subset of my life, it is easy and reasonable to conclude: I have a larger circle of people in my life that would discuss such personal issue than you do. In fact, again not to open wounds, but a large subset of the people HERE are HERE simply because they are proud of the fact they cannot 'play nice' in mainstream humanity and places like this (free speech free attacks whatnot) offer the only place to unload endless bile on humanity. On another BBS another poster named kiko once stated perfectly the appearance projected to the outside world and I adopted it as my sig line (lookitup).
so yes, I, a parent of 2 (like yourself) has most assuredly discussed the issue with far more women than you have. Its readily apparent even in the quality of the discussion.
and bigRR: re your last post. way to equate a 'natural abortion' for whatever reason (which in itself is a small subset of pregnancies given the positive growth rate) to justify 'artificial abortion' as I restate: if only the pro-choicers (of which I have always been a member) were as honest. but I expect too much.
