An Advice column in a local newspaper carried a letter from a 15-year-old girl from a religious family. Some time ago her "family" had given her - and she had enthusiastically accepted - a silver ring which symbolized her commitment to remain a virgin until her marriage. You know what's coming.
At a recent party, a boy she liked showed some interest, and the evening ended with the two of them doing the old "in & out."
"I don't know how this happened."
Right.
The girl wants to renew that commitment, still endorses and feels bound by it, but, it would appear, she ain't a virgin no more. What to do?
In any event...
That is not the point I'd like to explore with this thread, but it is related. My question to the board is, Why not fcuk?
Historically, the main reason why girls were told to refrain from sex was because they might get pregnant and ruin their lives. More recently, the justification has been modified to include the threat of an STD. But honestly, this is a minimal risk when you are talking about HS friends, and is undoubtedly considered no risk at all by the fcukers themselves.
So by virtue of the availability of effective Birth Control - including legal abortion - the fear of pregnancy is, if not totally gone, at least "manageable."
Why should a sexually mature young woman not have sex with anyone she likes? Taking appropriate precautions, of course. I mean, let's face it, it's fun, it's easy, and it might even make you more popular!
And use arguments that a teenage girl would find understandable and credible.
Inquiring minds want to hear it.
As a neurotically-obsessive Catholic Conservative (who has never had a daughter), my approach would be to talk about the "special" nature of marriage, or at least the need to restrict sexual intimacy to committed relationships. Not saying she would buy it, but that would be my approach. I might also threaten to dis-own her and put an "A" tattoo on her forehead if I ever found out she was being promiscuous. But that's just me.
Why not fcuk?
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outercourse? 
Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.
yrs,
rubato
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That explains soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!dgs49 wrote:As a . . . (who has never had a daughter)
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
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Change that to "emotionally mature" and you have a deal. Sex is about more than the physical act.dgs49 wrote:
Why should a sexually mature young woman not have sex with anyone she likes? Taking appropriate precautions, of course. I mean, let's face it, it's fun, it's easy, and it might even make you more popular!
And use arguments that a teenage girl would find understandable and credible.
Inquiring minds want to hear it.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Gobster, my understanding of "emotionally mature" is, "able to make a personal commitment."
When do youngsters reach this point in your part of the world?
In the u.s., it is somewhere between 25 and retirement.
When do youngsters reach this point in your part of the world?
In the u.s., it is somewhere between 25 and retirement.
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Guin,
Based on my informal survey, men WITH daughters have no idea how to communicate with young women either, so my lack of female progeny doesn't break me out from the masses.
Based on my informal survey, men WITH daughters have no idea how to communicate with young women either, so my lack of female progeny doesn't break me out from the masses.
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From my perspective, rather than "in my part of the" world, somewhere between 18 and 22 years old is the norm for reaching sufficient emotional maturity in order to enjoy a sex life and some sexual adventure..dgs49 wrote:Gobster, my understanding of "emotionally mature" is, "able to make a personal commitment."
When do youngsters reach this point in your part of the world?
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Think "pre-frontal cortex" vs. "gonads".
Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.
yrs,
rubato
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LMAOdales wrote:Think "pre-frontal cortex" vs. "gonads".
That's a mis-match if ever there was one.
Along the lines of Justin Bieber vs Mike Tyson
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
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Why not write 'fuck' if you mean fuck?
What is all this French Connection Unity Kingdom shite for?
If you mean it, say it. It is only a word.
What is all this French Connection Unity Kingdom shite for?
If you mean it, say it. It is only a word.
Bah!
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He's just acting the cnut...
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
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Having to live with and being exposed to a daughter would advance your understanding of the gender a thousandfold.dgs49 wrote:Guin,
Based on my informal survey, men WITH daughters have no idea how to communicate with young women either, so my lack of female progeny doesn't break me out from the masses.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
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Considering another aspect of it, I've lived with my wife since 1973; by all indications she was a "girl" at one time, and she doesn't understand them either.
But since you imply that you have some knowledge in this area, why not respond to my initial question rather than making snide comments?
But since you imply that you have some knowledge in this area, why not respond to my initial question rather than making snide comments?
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I agree that emotional immaturity is the best reason to wait on fucking.
For most young women (even reasonably well-adjusted ones) there is profound confusion of sex with love, which generally results in emotional pain that would be avoided absent that level of intimacy.
For most young women (even reasonably well-adjusted ones) there is profound confusion of sex with love, which generally results in emotional pain that would be avoided absent that level of intimacy.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
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Well said BSG, very good point.
(This one is rather "close to home" for me and Hen at present.)
(This one is rather "close to home" for me and Hen at present.)
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Hopefully they learned the things you taught them BEFORE they reach the teen years because once teens, you become the stupidist people on earth who know nothing about being a teenager. Then, magically, when they reach their twenties, you start getting smart again.
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If only they understood:
Boys give affection because they want sex; girls give sex because they want affection.
Boys give affection because they want sex; girls give sex because they want affection.
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Oh for Christ's sake. Do you *really* believe that crap? 
Still you have not learned that females have sexual desire, all in and of itself, and act on that desire, too. Nor have you learned that the male of the species is and can be an affectionate creature in the absence of sexual desire.
I honestly feel sorry for you Dave. It seems as if your life and experiences are rather lacking in love, in all its many forms.
Still you have not learned that females have sexual desire, all in and of itself, and act on that desire, too. Nor have you learned that the male of the species is and can be an affectionate creature in the absence of sexual desire.
I honestly feel sorry for you Dave. It seems as if your life and experiences are rather lacking in love, in all its many forms.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
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I can attest to that given my recent prostate problems and continuing testosterone problems.the male of the species is and can be an affectionate creature in the absence of sexual desire.