Can Anyone Explain How Nudity Laws Make Any Sense?

[BoSoxGal]

Andrew D:

By your own admission, you could not take the stress of either public defense or prosecution work - which by the way, stays with me 24/7/365 and permeates my waking AND sleeping thoughts - that's all for free. You could hire support staff if you wanted to and have a little less fun money for your 'comfortable suburban existence' (which as you've described it in the past, is likely a hell of a lot more comfortable than most folks on this board - unless you were lying then), so please, don't cry me a river. And of course litigation exhausts anyone; but in your line of work, the only thing at stake is one company's money versus another company's money - by your own admission. When I go to trial, it's the liberties of a human being on the line, and the impacts are far-reaching.

Other than pro bono, serving the public interest involves work that is connected to government funding; but according to you, that's despicable 'suckling at the government teat'? Because yes, most of the rest of us with ideals can't afford to work for no pay, and nobody else is paying big (or any) bucks to protect the downtrodden and victimized, or the general community. It's something we ALL choose to pay for as an aspect of the social contract.

Nice of you to so generously shit upon anybody else here who also works for the government.

But yes, working for insurance companies is noble, and to be much admired over the lowly, lying scumbags who populate the greatest - though imperfect, like everything else - criminal justice system on the planet. Yes, innocent people get convicted and yes, that should always be rooted out whenever possible. I notice you don't mention the statistics concerning those cases versus the number of cases that work through the system each year - and the truth is, the staggering majority of offenders ARE GUILTY. PERIOD.

If you care so much, then you are selfish & greedy for not dedicating some portion of your career, since you are such a staggering GENIUS, to the work of defending the unjustly accused. Suck it up. Live on a public defender salary for a few years. Or STFU.

You know as far as I'm concerned, whatever health conditions you have the negatively impact your quality of life are probably rooted in the extreme nastiness that wells up inside you and spills out here on a regular basis, when you engage in vitriolic personal attack on anybody who dares stand against some position you have asserted as God's Andrew D's truth.

Your poor wife. I can imagine exactly what a miserable prick you are to live with. You think you are better than just about everyone else.

I take great pleasure in your inability to drink wine, Andrew D. One of life's little victories.

[Lord Jim]

You have much more experience than I do in posting what will capture people's attention. I tend to post long-winded, boring, excessively annotated stuff. I have never mastered your gift for the quick, clever response, and I doubt that I ever will.

You win.

I bow to your superiority in witticism.

Someone somewhere may decide to read the threads for the substance of what they have to say.

Maybe.

Or maybe not.

But I cannot compete with funny pictures.

I am at a loss when it comes to turning a clever phrase. I drone on endlessly. I use so many footnotes that they drown out the text that I am writing. I am drearily monotonous.

You are none of those things. Clever phrases fall effortlessly from your lips. You are succinct; you land directly and sharply on the points you are making.

I just stumble in my semi-coherent way through mountains of stuff that very few people are interested in anyway. I don't find anything witty to say. There usually is something witty to say, and you usually find it. I usually don't.

You win.

Equating public defecation with public nudity is a brilliant strategy. It puts me on the defensive. It turns the tables so that instead of your having to defend the requirement that people clothe themselves, I have to defend a prohibition of public defecation, even though I have never asserted that people should be allowed to defecate in public.

It is dazzling.

I cannot begin to compete with it.

I am in awe.

Aw, gee wilikers Andrew, now I'm blushing....

Andrew, as I think you know, I have enormous regard for your intellect, and for you personally.

I for one enjoy your scholarly treatises and analysis on Constitutional law, even if I don't always agree with your conclusions. (I have especially enjoyed your posts regarding the 10th Amendment; I've found those to be downright educational)

However, that having been said, it must be noted your record for "annotations" and "footnotes" have been notable for their absence when it comes to your accusations about the rampant and systematic illegality that is supposedly being engaged in by prosecutors and police officers on a regular basis...

And when you try to claim that you are not as "clever" as I am when it comes to making points, you do yourself a great injustice. (As I'm sure you know)

Trying to dig out of the hole you've dug for yourself in this discussion by claiming that the reason your points are not being well taken is because I'm more glib or "witty" or "succinct" or because "clever phrases fall effortlessly from my lips" is in fact a very clever strategy....

You're trying to set up this dichotomy:

"Well, you can either agree with entertaining and witty Lord Jim, or poor old boring me with all my facts and footnotes".....

Spare me the chin music....

Yes, in some discussions you do in fact have a large arsenal of "footnotes" and "annotations" to back up your position.

But not in this one.

Someone somewhere may decide to read the threads for the substance of what they have to say.

I join you in that hope....

Anyone who does so will clearly see that you have offered nothing of substance to back up your accusations re prosecutorial or police behavior, (in this thread or the other one where this discussion began....or any other thread, here or at the CSB for that matter)

ETA:

You're not on the losing end of this exchange because of my Jack Parr style "glibness" ...

You're on the losing end of this exchange because of your unsubstantiated allegations and accusations.

[BoSoxGal]

Gob, Hen, Daisy, etc:

I am not finding anything in the settings which allows me to delete my account. Please do so for me.

Cheers, friends. I'm off to write a book in my spare time, and choose to limit my exposure to extreme negativity to my practice of law in the public interest.

Yrs,
Lying Teat-suckling Scumbag, Esq.

[rubato]

Gob, Hen, Daisy, etc:

I am not finding anything in the settings which allows me to delete my account. Please do so for me.

Cheers, friends. I'm off to write a book in my spare time, and choose to limit my exposure to extreme negativity to my practice of law in the public interest.

Yrs,
Lying Teat-suckling Scumbag, Esq.

I think that was only 1 opinion.

Not generally held.

And AGD is going after you, scooter, and his always dependable asslicker LJ so I think he's got something going on in his personal existence which is troubling him.


yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

I want to make one thing very clear, (I've said this before, but I'd like to reiterate it, lest my position on the subject be misrepresented again)

I am VERY hardcore on the subject of punishing prosecutors, police officers, (and judges and defense attorneys) who in any way violate the law and the trust granted to them in the administration of our legal system.

Any cop, prosecutor, judge or defense attorney who violates their oath and obligations to the justice system should have the book thrown at them. They should receive harsher penalties than the average person would, because they have been entrusted with the powers and authority to administer justice to the rest of us. When they violate this, they are not just committing a personal act, they are undermining that trust, which is essential if we are to have a law based society. And they should be punished severely for that.

But having this view, is a far cry from making blanket, unsubstantiated allegations against the vast majority of those who labor in these professions.

[Gob]

Gob, Hen, Daisy, etc:

I am not finding anything in the settings which allows me to delete my account. Please do so for me.

Cheers, friends. I'm off to write a book in my spare time, and choose to limit my exposure to extreme negativity to my practice of law in the public interest.

Yrs,
Lying Teat-suckling Scumbag, Esq.

I think deleting your account on the grounds of one other posters opinion is a bit rash to say the least. The account can be left dormant in case you have a change of heart.

[Sean]

Tchah!

I get up for work at 10:30 at night, half an hour before I go to bed, work 26 hours a day at mill and pay mill owner for privilege of working there, get home, eat a handful of cold poison and then get sliced in two with a breadknife.

It's not worth your time BSG. Some people just like to show off how hard they work and how important their lives are...

[Gob]

You were lucky!

[BoSoxGal]

Please don't misunderstand me; I don't believe that most of you share Andrew D's view and I absolutely share the view LJ expressed above. I bought into the line of thinking Andrew D is expressing, to a lesser degree, until I was inside looking out & came to realize how misguided it was. Yes, there are bad prosecutors like there are bad apples in every barrel. It is NOT the norm.

I was already getting fed up with the persistent trolling of another poster & this vitriolic attack from Andrew D just iced the cupcake. I've posted online for 6 years & I've truly loved being part of this community, but it has also been a source of unnecessary stress more often than it should be and that's probably entirely my fault. I shouldn't care what some arrogant prick who enjoys attacking people online has to say about me (this applies to our old friend editec as well as to Andrew D) but I find it particularly reprehensible when smart people who know better about me still choose to engage in egregious dishonest personal attack to inflate their sick egos. I recognize such people, all intelligence notwithstanding, are psychologically damaged at some fundamental level or else would not be compelled to so behave; nevertheless, I don't want to engage such people.

I'm tired & it's time to move on. I'm getting back into teaching (creative writing with Native kids - yeah, it's pro bono) and I really do want to write a book and I spend an enormous amount of time working, so there is little time for anything else. If I commit social media suicide I'll have removed the temptation to visit someplace where I am put in the path of the ultra arrogant in a forum where they feel free to attack with impunity.

[Gob]

Fair comment BSG, though as I say, let's keep the account here open so's you can drop in and say Hi!

Also, "all our own work" would be a great place to showcase your efforts, get critique and look for inspiration.

[Andrew D]

Lord Jim and bigskygal are entirely right.

None of the opinions I have ever expressed here has had even the slightest foundation in reality. They have all been total bullshit spewed out of my ass.

I have never contributed anything of any value to this board. I have done nothing but pollute it with my stupid, ignorant notions.

I should spend the pathetic little thing known to some people as my life railroading innocent people into prison. I should devote myself to licking clean the papal anus.

But I can't. I am weak.

Ignorant, stupid, and weak.

I can't formulate any rational argument for any position. I can't get anywhere near the lofty heights from which others here gaze down upon me.

I'm just a loathsome little turd deposited in our world by some gleefully malicious deity.

The stuff I write makes no sense. It isn't worth even bothering to read.

Strangely, though, there is one thing that bigskygal and I -- even though she is busy doing good things whereas I just whore myself out to big, evil corporations -- agree on:

I am not finding anything in the settings which allows me to delete my account. Please do so for me.

[dales]

STFU....AGD

[Lord Jim]

Lord Jim and bigskygal are entirely right.

None of the opinions I have ever expressed here has had even the slightest foundation in reality. They have all been total bullshit spewed out of my ass.

I have never contributed anything of any value to this board. I have done nothing but pollute it with my stupid, ignorant notions.

I should spend the pathetic little thing known to some people as my life railroading innocent people into prison. I should devote myself to licking clean the papal anus.

Section 5150 is a section of the California Welfare and Institutions Code (specifically, the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act or "LPS") which allows a qualified officer or clinician to involuntarily confine a person deemed to have a mental disorder that makes them a danger to him or her self, and/or others and/or gravely disabled. A qualified officer, which includes any California peace officer or paramedic, as well as any specifically designated county clinician, can request the confinement after signing a written declaration. When used as a term, 5150 (pronounced "fifty-one-fifty") can informally refer to the person being confined or to the declaration itself, or colloquially as a verb, as in 'Someone was 5150'd'.

CALIFORNIA WELFARE AND INSTITUTIONS CODE, SECTION 5150, second paragraph, "... an application in writing stating the circumstances under which the person's condition was called to the attention of the officer, member of the attending staff, or professional person, and stating that the officer, member of the attending staff, or professional person has probable cause to believe that the person is, as a result of mental disorder, a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled."

[Andrew D]

When in danger, when in doubt ....

[Rick]

I expected so much bitterness from someone much older.

He's mad.

Mad because Gates killed Bin Laden.

Mad because he knows Spooks and American boots were running rampant in Pakiland.

Mad because the technology used in his eradication owes it's origins to the Reagan Administration.

Mad because now he has to own up to the fact that his own are no better than those he hates...

[Andrew D]

Huh?

Was that intended as an attempt to make some sort of sense?

[Lord Jim]

Huh?

Was that intended as an attempt to make some sort of sense?

It's funny you should ask that question...

I was wondering much the same thing after reading your previous post....

It's becoming increasingly obvious Andrew, that there is something going on with you now that is not right. I have not touched base with you for some time, but whatever the problem is that is having this effect on you I am sincere when I say that I hope you are getting help for it.

You seem to be heading towards some sort of psychological meltdown. (Your response to Bette's post in another thread is particularly strange) It's clear to me from PMs that I have received from a number of posters over the past couple of days, and from public comments that are starting to come from a range of participants here, that I am not alone in noticing this. I'm sure I'm also not alone in hoping that you are successful in overcoming whatever problems and personal demons you are wrestling with that are causing you to seem to be losing touch with reality, and to respond to what's being said in very peculiar and inappropriate ways.

Arrogance and irascibility have always of course been a part of your persona, but this obsessive self pity, paranoid persecution complex stuff, and Team Troll like behavior are new and extremely unappealing features.

[rubato]

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I'm tired & it's time to move on. I'm getting back into teaching (creative writing with Native kids - yeah, it's pro bono) and I really do want to write a book and I spend an enormous amount of time working, so there is little time for anything else. If I commit social media suicide I'll have removed the temptation to visit someplace where I am put in the path of the ultra arrogant in a forum where they feel free to attack with impunity.

Best of luck. It's good to make changes which are positive.

yrs,
rubato

[@meric@nwom@n]

Oh give it up BSG ya know you love all the abuse and annoyance too much to go for good.

[Rick]

Huh?

Was that intended as an attempt to make some sort of sense?

I've noticed how you like to tie many of the worlds evil back to the Iran Contra thang.

Just helpin ya out...