Talking with the Taliban..

[Gob]

Robert Gates confirms US-Taliban talks in Afghanistan

Outgoing US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has confirmed that the US is holding "outreach" talks with members of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Mr Gates said talks were "preliminary" but that a political solution was the way "most of these wars end".

It is the first time the US has acknowledged such contact and comes a day after Afghan President Hamid Karzai said peace talks had started.

The US is due to start withdrawing its 97,000 troops from Afghanistan in July.

It aims to gradually hand over all security operations to Afghan security forces by 2014.

"There's been outreach on the part of a number of countries, including the United States," Mr Gates told CNN., without naming other countries involved.

"I would say that these contacts are very preliminary.

"My own view is that real reconciliation talks are not likely to be able to make any substantive headway until at least this winter."

Mr Gates, who will leave office at the end of the month, said the first step had been to ensure the contacts were genuine and influential Taliban members.

"We don't want to end up having a conversation at some point with somebody who is basically a freelancer."

Mr Karzai said on Saturday that peace talks involving Afghan officials, the US and other "foreign militaries" were taking place and were "going well".

He gave no details as to whether the discussions involved Taliban officials with US authorities, or a go-between.

Shortly after, the Taliban said it carried out a number of suicide attacks in Kabul, killing nine people and injuring 12. Police said insurgents also attacked two convoys supplying Nato troops in the eastern province of Ghazni, killing four security guards.

The Taliban's official position regarding peace talks is that they will only negotiate once international forces leave Afghanistan, and that they will only talk to the Afghan government. But analysts say that stance appears to be changing.

Diplomats have previously spoken of preliminary talks being held by both sides in the continuing conflict.

The UK said that with the death of al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, it was time for the Taliban to "positively engage" in the political process, and that it supported Afghan efforts to reintegrate insurgents who were "prepared to renounce violence, cut links with terrorist groups, and accept the constitution".

In a separate interview published on Sunday, Mr Gates said the human cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan made him more wary of backing US military intervention.

"If we were about to be attacked or had been attacked or something happened that threatened a vital US national interest, I would be the first in line to say, 'Let's go'," Mr Gates told the New York Times.

"I will always be an advocate in terms of wars of necessity. I am just much more cautious on wars of choice."

The Taliban ruled Afghanistan before being driven from power by US-backed forces in 2001. It had sheltered al-Qaeda members, including Bin Laden.

On Friday, the UN split a sanctions blacklist for the Taliban and al-Qaeda, to encourage Taliban members to turn their back on the Islamist organisation and join reconciliation efforts.

Before now, both organisations have been handled by the same UN sanctions committee.

The UN Security Council said it was sending a signal to the Taliban that now is the time to join the political process.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13830750

[Lord Jim]

What exactly would a "compromise" with the Taliban look like?

That they'd only be allowed to whip people for playing music, stone adulterers to death and prohibit girls from going to school in some towns?

The Pakistani's tried to "compromise" with them, and they wound up with the Taliban within 60 miles of Karachi....

The Taliban are notorious for not honoring their agreements, and using any kind of "cease fire" as merely a breathing space to re-arm and regroup so they can launch further attacks.

[Gob]

My thoughts exactly. But, wait a moment, aren't we there to prevent another 9/11? Will they agree not to be part of another one of them again...

[loCAtek]

That was Al Queda, sheltered by the Taliban. The Taliban were the host nation, but didn't participate in the planning or execution of the attacks. They were only concerned only with keeping rule of Afghanistan.

[oldr_n_wsr]

So the Taliban are a "cause" without a nation.
Causes are like assholes........

[Lord Jim]

The Taliban were the host nation, but didn't participate in the planning or execution of the attacks. They were only concerned only with keeping rule of Afghanistan.

LoCa, that somewhat understates the relationship between the Taliban and Al Qaeda...

While it's true that the Taliban was not involved directly in 9/11 it's unlikely that they weren't generally aware that Al Qaeda was planning large scale terror attacks against the West. They knew that OBL wasn't a rice pudding maker.
The top leadership of both organizations were in contact on a regular basis; the relationship was very close and mutually helpful. The Taliban provided complete saftey and haven for whatever activities Al Qaeda chose to engage in; in exchange Al Qaeda provided training for Taliban fighters, (as well as it's own fighters) for the Taliban in their war with The Northern Alliance. They shared intelligence, and OBL also used his substantial financial resources to help prop up the regime financially.

Also if Mulah Omar had truly been only concerned with "keeping rule in Afghanistan" he was afforded every oportunity to do so. for months prior to the invasion the Bush Administration made repeated demands that he turn over OBL and his top lieutenants (or if he was unable to do so, to co-operate with the US in his capture) and Omar refused.

Had he co-operated, his regime would not have been over thrown by the US and it's allies.

[loCAtek]

True' dat but current leadership (supposedly wishes to distance itself from Al Qaeda)

You and I both know, that's dependent upon actions not assurances?

[loCAtek]

To add: if talking with the Taliban continues to undermines Al Qaeda; I say drive that wedge further.