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Charlie Gilmour jailed for student fees demo violence



Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, has been jailed for 16 months for a rampage at a student fees protest in central London.

Gilmour, 21, was accused of throwing a bin at a convoy of cars containing Prince Charles, sitting on a protection officer's car and smashing a window.

The Cambridge University student, of Billingshurst, West Sussex, was bailed in May so he could finish his exams.

Kingston Crown Court heard he had taken LSD and valium before the incident.

Gilmour was among thousands of people who protested in Trafalgar Square and Parliament Square on 9 December 2010.
'Thoroughly intoxicated'

He was photographed hanging from a union flag on the Cenotaph during the march, an incident for which he later apologised.

He was also seen leaping on to the bonnet of a Jaguar car that formed part of a royal convoy containing the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall and hurling a rubbish bin at the vehicle.

The car carried royal protection officers accompanying the couple as they were chauffeured up Regent Street in a Rolls-Royce to a Royal Variety Performance.

Gilmour's barrister David Spens QC argued he was "ashamed of himself" for his behaviour, which was sparked by his "intoxication by drink and drugs", and had no recollection of throwing the bin.

He was described as "out of his mind" by the time he arrived in Parliament Square that day as he had been drinking and taking drugs since the previous night.

This was the culmination of a continual binge that had started around August, "born out of unhappiness rather than hedonism".

Mr Spens told the court this had been precipitated by an "emotionally painful" meeting that summer with his biological father writer Heathcote Williams.

Gilmour also kicked at the window of Topshop's flagship store on Oxford Street and ended up in possession of the leg of a mannequin.

He was filmed shouting: "They broke the moral law, we're going to break all the laws."

Passing sentence, Judge Nicholas Price QC accepted that Gilmour's behaviour at the Cenotaph did not form part of the violent disorder, but accused him of disrespect to the war dead.

"Such outrageous and deeply offensive behaviour gives a clear indication of how out of control you were that day," he told Gilmour.

"It caused public outrage and understandably so."

His conduct at the war memorial had prompted a deluge of "vituperative and in many cases obscene emails", he said.

These were "not just to you but, it is with deep regret, to your whole family, who were of course totally blameless", he added.

Gilmour entered a non-specific guilty plea during a hearing in May.

He claimed he had not realised the significance of the memorial - an excuse the judge rejected.

"For a young man of your intelligence and education and background to profess to not know what the Cenotaph represents defies belief," he said.

"You have shown disrespect to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, to those who fell defending this country."

But Gilmour was given some credit for apologising for his actions.

"You expressed yourself in a fitting way when you said how deeply ashamed you are for what is, as you acknowledge, the terrible insult to those who gave their lives," the judge said.
I was hoping that his old man's cash, and a big name brief wouldn't get him off.

I'm a long time fan of Floyd/Gilmore, but the actions of his son were inexcusable.

A poor little rich boy playing at being down with the plebs, like he was going to go short of tuition fees cash!

His choice to claim/lie that he didn't understand the meaning of the Cenotaph just goes to show what a complete lying shitbag he is.

Hope he gets a size 9 ring-piece.
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Hope he gets a size 9 ring-piece.
:?:

Can you translate into American English, please.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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He was a drunk/drugged college student behaving badly.

Nothing more. Give him 30 days in the can and a fine.

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dales wrote:
Hope he gets a size 9 ring-piece.
:?:

Can you translate into American English, please.
Soap dropping / prison showers.
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rubato wrote:He was a drunk/drugged college student behaving badly.

Nothing more. Give him 30 days in the can and a fine.

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So should he get off lightly because he was drunk/drugged or because he was a student? :roll:
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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The guy was a one man riot....

His behavior was reprehensible, and don't personally have a big problem with the sentence, but I have to ask....

Are sentences of this length for this sort of behavior typical in the UK?

In the US, this type of behavior would never have drawn this length of a sentence, even for an average person, (certainly not for a first offense)

I'm not condemning it, (16 months in the slammer for some of these "anarchist" asswipes who make a career out of this kind of visigothism is something I'd heartily endorse...a few sentences like that and we might see much less of it) I'm just curious to know if this is standard sentencing, or if he was given a harsher sentence because he's a rich spoiled brat...(not that that's necessarily a bad thing either)
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If it was believed that he intended to cause harm to old Charlie boy he can count himself very lucky to get away with 16 months...
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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If it was believed that he intended to cause harm to old Charlie boy he can count himself very lucky to get away with 16 months...
I thought about that Sean, (obviously attempting to do bodily harm to the heir to the throne would be a very serious charge and draw a stiff sentence; 16 months would seem lenient, if that's what he was being charged with ) but that aspect of the case seems to have been mentioned only in passing and the article is very unclear about where Chuck Windsor was in relation to the object that was thrown; (a "convoy" could mean he was 20 cars away) and precisely what the charge was that he was convicted and sentenced for.

The judge also doesn't mention that in his sentencing statement. (at least the part that was quoted)
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Sean wrote:
rubato wrote:He was a drunk/drugged college student behaving badly.

Nothing more. Give him 30 days in the can and a fine.

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So should he get off lightly because he was drunk/drugged or because he was a student? :roll:
We have tried the experiment of using very harsh sentences for minor crimes here in the United States only to prove that while it satisfies the sadistic desire to punish it causes high crime rates, removes people from the workforce who would otherwise be productive and paying taxes, and costs an enormous amount of money.

He should pay a fine to cover the costs of the damage he caused and 30 days loss of freedom is adequate time for a single instance of stupidity.

It is childish to give in to hatred, anger, and the sadistic desire for revenge when thought is more productive in reforming public behavior and costs so very much less. There is no evidence that I have heard which suggests he was trying to cause harm to a person.

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I wonder if he got a make up artist to give him his "poor little me I was only following the crowd and out of my box on valium and LSD , not my fault" look?
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I'm a long time fan of Floyd/Gilmore, but the actions of his son were inexcusable.
Evidently he's his stepson.

Not that it matters...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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Nice looking kid.

Pink Floyd are about B - talent overall. Interesting and ok but very limited.

Maybe he'll do better than his dad?

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Lord Jim wrote:
If it was believed that he intended to cause harm to old Charlie boy he can count himself very lucky to get away with 16 months...
I thought about that Sean, (obviously attempting to do bodily harm to the heir to the throne would be a very serious charge and draw a stiff sentence; 16 months would seem lenient, if that's what he was being charged with ) but that aspect of the case seems to have been mentioned only in passing and the article is very unclear about where Chuck Windsor was in relation to the object that was thrown; (a "convoy" could mean he was 20 cars away) and precisely what the charge was that he was convicted and sentenced for.

The judge also doesn't mention that in his sentencing statement. (at least the part that was quoted)
True. The article wasn't clear on what he was being charged with.

BTW a royal convoy would usually have four cars: One protection detail, then the royal car, then two more protection detail.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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Really? Is that all? A Presidential motorcade includes twenty to thirty vehicles; more if he's traveling overseas.

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They don't really rule the UK...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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No prescription! Doxycycline is a drug which is commonly used as a form of treatment for a vast variety of infections.
If only it worked when applied to oozing anal boils on the backside of humanity like internet spammers... :fu :fu
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The son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour will spend Christmas behind bars after his appeal against a 16-month jail term for his drug-fuelled rampage during the student protests was thrown out.

Charlie Gilmour, 21, was told those who join mob violence must expect ‘significant’ sentences, even if their actions are completely out of character. Lawyers for the Cambridge University history student argued his sentence was ‘unduly harsh’ and that he should be released early. But three Appeal Court judges ruled that the penalty could not be described as ‘manifestly excessive or wrong in principle’. In what became one of the most infamous images of the London protests, Gilmour was seen hanging from a Union Flag on the Cenotaph.In a clear warning to others, Lord Justice Hughes said those who take part in demonstrations carry ‘clear responsibilities’ to avoid disorder and violence.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1cDKeqGNd
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Is it an unduly harsh penalty for swinging in a drug fueled rage of a monument to fallen war dead?

I don't think so, sonny.

Head down. Do your time. Reflect on why you are there.

It doesn't seem you have learnt anything yet.
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